Direct hit in Tel Aviv
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u/BrainInABox@lemmy.ml · 4 points
There is, but the EU has just straight up decided they aren't going to enforce it. Basically admitting that the ICC is just for the West's enemies.
u/loudWaterEnjoyer@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 points
You mean this warrant from the ICC https://www.icc-cpi.int/defendant/netanyahu
u/Babalugats@lemmy.ml · 3 points
If he's in the EU can he not get arrested? I thought there was an EU-wide arrest warrant in his name for war crimes?
Or have I just made that up?
I never double checked. It was something I've just thought existed. Obviously not..
u/ameancow@lemmy.world · 5 points
I'll deliver this reply in Choose Your Own Adventure Format:
*If you want to make a reference to Donald Trump being at his birthday parade and thus exposed, vulnerable and in the open and presently not looking up, turn to page 89.*
*If you rather make a reference to how we should leave the Devil be because the Devil himself is more respectable and honorable than any of these monstrous despots who murder out of spite and wrap themselves in scripture, turn to page 322.*
u/Mycatiskai@lemmy.ca · 3 points
I heard he might be taking a Greek sojourn.
u/Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 19 points
Iran is a flawed state, certainly, but if Israel succeeds then they will succeed in killing far more women and queer people than the Iranian state could ever hope to execute, along with cisgender folk, liberals, etc. This is pinkwashing. As a queer person myself, this type of rhetoric is just Imperialist apologia, the path to queer liberation of Iranians would be dramatically pushed *backwards* if Israel succeeds in destroying Iran.
Further, *yes,* Iran is necessary to stop the genocide in Palestine at this moment. When Western countries are all condemning Iran and backing Israel, it is the Global South that backs Iran. Gazans are cheering, Yemeni people are watching the bombings of Tel Aviv on the big screen. Israel has been the single greatest obstacle in queer liberation in the Middle East as the fomenter of chaos, genocide, and destabilization.
Why is it that queer liberation happens in some countries, and not others? When does it happen? Social progress is a product of economic development and liberation of the Working Class. Bombing Iran and creating a failed state would result in thousands of deaths of queer Iranians, children, and many more.
Do some self-crit. You're caping for Israel and advocating for the country doing the most to oppose genocide to collapse.
u/rumimevlevi@lemmings.world · 12 points
We saw how it ended up in iraq. How many time you guy get fooled by the west propaganda?
Iranians are smart enough to know the threat number one is israel then the rrgime
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u/Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 15 points
What would that look like? Trying to help Israel destroy Iran, allowing the US and Israel to sweep in and commit genocide against them like the US did with Iraq? The Iranian state is what currently stands between the people and utter devastation, even if that state is flawed, without it the people of Iran have *no destiny to speak of.* If revolution comes to Iran, it should be on Iranian terms, not on westerners whose regimes benefit from Israeli aggression against Iran.
u/RadioFreeArabia@lemmy.world · 1 points
They are and they want the religious establishment to revoke the fatwa against nuclear weapons https://www.youtube.com/shorts/QT8-500J7lo
u/Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 14 points
A low bar it may be, but as you said in the beginning, a toppled Iran would end up like a toppled Iraq - utterly devastated and all of the flaws that existed pre-Iraq War seem like beauty marks after the genocidal US invasion.
People need to chart their own destiny, free from terrorization backed by the US Empire. Without that pressure, social movements in Iran have more room to breathe without fearing rocket-fire from Israel.
u/Tenderizer78@lemmy.ml · 8 points
Yeah, when I said that I didn't really adequately consider what would actually come of Iran being crippled. Civilian rule is not the likely outcome of Iran being defeated.
And Iran isn't as bad as Israel, I agree, but that's a pretty low bar.
u/MrSpArkle@lemmy.ca · -15 points
The people of Iran would be wise to take this opportunity to actually plot their destiny.
u/Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 22 points
Iran is not nearly as bad as Israel. A world where Iran loses *and* Israel loses would be a dramatic loss for the people of Iran, while if Israel loses and Iran maintains its sovereignty the people of Iran can chart their *own* destiny, rather than being dominated by the US and terrorized by Israel. All of this not even mentioning the cessation of the genocide of Palestine.
u/kreskin@lemmy.world · 10 points
Make your point. No one is here to watch your pathetic adhominem attacks. Stop wasting all of our time.
u/tane2@lemm.ee · 6 points
Accurate username on you
u/Mouette@jlai.lu · 6 points
Churchill ain't done shit to defeat Hitler, try with Stalin
u/AES_Enjoyer@reddthat.com · 3 points
Sure, you have a point, just wanted to remind people that western European countries enacted many genocides to similar scale than Nazi Germany (or greater)
u/IttihadChe@lemmy.ml · 5 points
I'm not denying Churchills crimes or painting him as good.
How many would Hitler have murdered if he had similar control over the region? Just look at General plan Ost...
There's a reason the USSR tried to ally with Churchill against Hitler before hostilities even started.
u/AES_Enjoyer@reddthat.com · 11 points
Was he, though? How many millions did he murder in the fabricated Bengal famine?
u/IttihadChe@lemmy.ml · 7 points
It's still a good example because as bad as Churchill was he was better than Hitler.
u/geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml · 6 points
Still I would have rooted for Churchill when it comes to the conflict of Nazi Germany versus Britain because I am able to separate actions from blindly supporting everything.
Iran to9lo did absolutely horrible things in the past They sent a lot of children to die during their war with Iraq. The Mahsa Amani stuff everyone keeps bringing up is so lightweight but Western propagaganda is the dumbest stuff.
However, currently Iran is aiding Palestine and fighting Israel and they are not sending children to die for it. So I support that action.
u/porous_grey_matter@lemmy.ml · 14 points
I get what you're saying but you couldn't have chosen a worse example... Like yeah absolutely fuck Churchill lol, he's a huge part of the reason why we're in this mess with Israel now
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u/Bloomcole@lemmy.world · 2 points
No sorry, LGBT is not particularly my interest.
Maybe go on Lemmygrad and ask them directly.
A few hours ago there were some discussing the attacks.
u/stray@pawb.social · 3 points
Do you have a particular source on modern LGBT realities in Iran you could recommend?
u/Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 17 points
The USSR *was* a functioning democracy, moreso than its peer countries. Rather than being entirely decided by Capital, the Soviets extended democratic input to the economic sector. *Soviet Democracy* by Pat Sloan and *This Soviet World* by Anna Louise Strong are both good first-hand accounts.
It certainly wasn't perfect, either, but it was a dramatic improvement on Capitalism. Zhenli has a good article on contextualizing some of the failures of democracy in early Socialism, as well as pointing out how western leftists often let the perfect Socialism in their heads be the enemy of the flawed but really existing Socialism in the real world, that faces real struggles thanks to being a really existing system.
u/prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 points
I wasn't joking. Or was the USSR a functioning democracy?
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u/BrainInABox@lemmy.ml · 13 points
And it's the same people who voted him that who are now condemning Iran and defending Israel. Whatever ideology they claim to possess, the one they actually practice is white supremacy.
u/Bloomcole@lemmy.world · 13 points
Churchill voted greatest Briton of all times in 2016.
A white supremacist who used the slogan 'keep Britain white'.
Called Jews 'hebrew bloodsuckers' and has murdered millions
u/Bloomcole@lemmy.world · 17 points
Iran ranks 3rd in the world in numbers of engineers. 70% of them are women.
'The second class citizens' is exagerated, and often simply lies for propaganda purposes, like the Mahsa Amini case.
The last execution of homosexuals was 20 years ago, and this was for rape, not bcs homosexuality.
Yes many islamic countries have issues, and these are the typical hasbara machine's ammo:
"Let us genocide the Palestinians bcs they hate the gays!"
Also your WW2 'democracies' were - and still are in many cases - colonisers and looters of a large part of the world.
u/BrainInABox@lemmy.ml · 16 points
>That’s hardly a reasonable comparison though is it?
It's entirely reasonable, you just have a white supremacist double standard.
>The allies during WW2 were mostly functioning democracies.
The vast majority of the British Empire couldn't vote and were considered lesser beings. The US had racial inequality inshrined into law and a habit of murdering minorities. The USSR I leave as an exercise to the reader.
>This conflict is a theocratic dictatorship
I assume you mean Israel.
which treats women as second class citizens
Lol, the WW2 allies absolutely treated women as second class citizens, and criminalised homosexuality. Its also ghoulish the way westerners go "these countries treat minorities badly, so it's ok to kill them (including the minorities). Ukraine isn't perfect about minorities either, do you use that to say they deserve to get invaded? Oh wait, Ukraine in white.
>Both sides are fucking evil and to celebrate one over the other is ignorant.
The British Empire was more evil than Iran by multiple orders of magnitude, yet for some reason (white supremacy) you don't take this stance on WW2
u/prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 10 points
USSR?
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u/Bloomcole@lemmy.world · 28 points
Iran is not the agressor, never was.
And the other side is caricaturally evil
u/BrainInABox@lemmy.ml · 22 points
Most of the allies in world war 2 were horrible, repressive regimes. I would still support them.
u/geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml · 21 points
Watch out, the enlightened centrist has arrived!
Winston Churchill, Adolf Hitler, well, they are both bad people. Let's root for neither of them.
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u/rumimevlevi@lemmings.world · 1 points
Would you say the same thing in the middle of world war 2?
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u/Commiunism@beehaw.org · -1 points
Yes, nothing gets me going like innocent proletarian blood spilled in bourgeois conflicts like these
u/sudo_halt@lemmygrad.ml · 5 points
O great chudjack in the sky
Let the power of your nothing ever happens flow through me one last time
u/Zenith@lemm.ee · 2 points
That’s good, you want more people to die or something?
u/IttihadChe@lemmy.ml · 18 points
I've seen reports of Airbases, the Kirya, many anti-air systems, and some city infrastructure/housing.
As usual it's iffy as Israel silences reports on impacts. But it's undeniable, Israel was rocked.
u/Allero@lemmy.today · 2 points
Yay for that!
Hope as many generals as possible got into the fire
u/Kbobabob@lemmy.world · 19 points
Good thing they are...

u/Allero@lemmy.today · 9 points
Let's see military objects used against Gaza and Iran getting destroyed. Do not raze countries to the ground.
u/Grey@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 13 points
No it's OK, I missed it too, they can do it again so we can see. It's allowed
u/IttihadChe@lemmy.ml · 17 points
I was watching on my phone, so I didn't miss shit.
u/ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net · 23 points
Probably just an underground IDF base that didn't store their munitions properly
u/zr0@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 6 points
This. And all the repairs. Also we’re talking here about military stuff. You don’t use FedEx to ship that. Military personell + equipment is expensive as fuck. Efficiency is not of priority.
u/valkyrieangela@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 9 points
I would assume that operational and logistics costs apply to this figure. Aka shipping and handling, which is never free.
u/ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net · 30 points
can't fire money, can't print industrial capacity
u/davel@lemmy.ml · 25 points
While there’s infinite money, there’s very limited industrial capacity, because the US de-industrialized itself. The US and Europe combined already can’t keep Ukraine supplied.
u/IttihadChe@lemmy.ml · 8 points
I meant more politically and materially than just monetarily.
If we cut social programs at home and continue to send/ ramp up even more billions to support Israel it will just create even more unrest, which is already at a low boil.
We also don't have unlimited manufacturing capabilities. How much material can we sacrifice without weakening our own access to these resources.
u/lazynooblet@lazysoci.al · 16 points
"quantative easing"
Literally printing money
u/ZWQbpkzl@hexbear.net · 8 points
Given the political climate, money isn't really the issue. The issue is how many THAAD missiles do we have stockpiled, how fast can we make them, and how fast can we ship them?
u/ouRKaoS@lemmy.today · 5 points
Depends on how much of the US military gets deployed in the US...
u/IttihadChe@lemmy.ml · 13 points
How long can we afford to do that?
u/ZWQbpkzl@hexbear.net · 35 points
Except the US will unilaterally restock the missiles at the expense of the holy american tax payer.
u/stray@pawb.social · 18 points
Emphasis on the USD?
u/StupidBrotherInLaw@lemmy.world · 14 points
Where are you getting this $1B figure? It appears the main cost is rockets, which run about $50k per. $1B would account for launching 20,000 rockets. There are 10 batteries in Israel with at most 80 rockets each, so a maximum of 800 rockets. That means 25 reloads a day. Is it really burning through that many rockets daily or is there more to this?
u/humanspiral@lemmy.ca · 12 points
Know that US gives fake loans (forgiven the same day) for all IDF expenses. This is somehow not part of US miitary budget even though they pay for everything.
u/slaneesh_is_right@lemmy.org · 11 points
War is such an insanely expensive hobby it makes me kinda sick.
u/sudo_halt@lemmygrad.ml · 4 points
*Israel* attacked with local drones. Iran attacked the Israeli defense network first with expensive hypersonics and then with good old BMs
u/sudo_halt@lemmygrad.ml · 5 points
Back before Britain/US/Pissrael there was the Persian empire, and there were maybe a war with Russia or the Ottomans in good sport once in a while
This **shit** is a modern creation thank you very much
u/Crankenstein@lemmy.world · 3 points
Yea, they say they restricted the Jewish immigrants. Yet, if you read the article posted in my other comment, you'd see that their actions during the time period of their mandate speaks a different tale.
Them abstaining from the vote is purely performative, and doesn't negate the rest of what they did to facilitate the colonization of Palestine.
u/rumimevlevi@lemmings.world · 3 points
The british should have stopped the zionist army after the zionists terrorist act against their personels ftom creating the terrorist state
u/dutchkimble@lemy.lol · 3 points
That link starts off saying this is an article from 24 years ago, and I’m thinking wow, a cool chance to read an article from the 70s, and then I see the date reads 2001!
u/rumimevlevi@lemmings.world · 3 points
Here a good article about british complicity into heping the creation of the state of israel
https://www.declassifieduk.org/how-britain-supported-zionism-and-prevented-palestinian-freedom
u/Barbarian@sh.itjust.works · 1 points
Yup. Did specifically say that I was missing tons of stuff in that super short summary of the formation of Israel. Also left out the Balfour declaration, the White Paper of 1939, the Buraq uprising, the Black Hand, Lehi and their attempted alliance with Nazi Germany, and much much more.
u/kreskin@lemmy.world · 8 points
You two just left out the entire nakba.
u/Crankenstein@lemmy.world · 16 points
Just look up the history of Israel before it was given statehood and of Zionism. Here is a good article by the Guardian. warning, it's a very complicated situation, all in all, and this article really gets into the nitty gritty of history. Literally, deep into it. It's some heavy reading.
Boiled down though...
After the defeat of the Ottomans and their empire partitioned off to various countries after the Sinai and Palestine campaigns of WW1, the British were given control via a mandate by the League of Nations over a territory that became known as the Mandate of Palestine, but it was still mostly Arab citizens, the British were just given authority to maintain order in the region.
During the years of occupation, the British government encouraged European Jews to settle the region in an effort to fulfill political obligations to the Zionist movement made at what is known as the Balfour Declaration. This caused a civil war to break out over the whole colonization thing.
With the end of the Mandate over the region drawing to an end, and the tensions of the area heightened after civil war, the U.N. voted to subdivide the Mandate of Palestine into two separate states: Palestine and Israel
u/Barbarian@sh.itjust.works · 5 points
Short version is that in WW1, the UK conquered Palestine from the Ottoman empire. 1922-1948, the British ran the territory, getting shot at regularly by both native Arabs, the tiny number of native Jews, and the comparatively much larger group of immigrant Jews. In the 1940s, the UK asked for and got US help with counterterrorist operations, especially against Jewish ones. Arabs and Jews pinky promised to play nice with each other if the UK left, so rather than continue getting shot by everyone in the region, they left. Arabs and Jews immediately started a war as soon as the UK army left. Then, every single neighbouring country attacked the newly formed Israel, which they somehow survived.
(Missing HUGE amounts of context and nuance here, obviously)
u/notoftenthat@sh.itjust.works · 2 points
u/OhVenus_Baby@lemmy.ml · 2 points
I'm curious and have no idea. Source? I never heard of this.
u/ztwhixsemhwldvka@lemmy.world · -2 points
The British restricted Jewish, particularly Zionist, immigration to Palestine towards the end of the Mandate. And abstained from voting for the creation of the partition at the UN.
u/LSNLDN@slrpnk.net · 5 points
Yep as is the one above. Look into these quotes and you’ll see the history of why the west are supporting this genocide with their actions even if outwardly they’re doing their best to obfuscate
u/dessalines@lemmy.ml · 7 points
Is that a quote from somewhere?
u/Crankenstein@lemmy.world · 41 points
Well, considering that the US and Britain literally invented Israel, that tracks.
u/LSNLDN@slrpnk.net · 7 points
a "**little** **loyal** Jewish **Ulster** in a sea of potentially hostile Arabism
u/HiddenLayer555@lemmy.ml · 47 points
Don't forget European colonialism.
That's what really started this whole shitshow.
u/chortle_tortle@mander.xyz · 80 points
>Were there not an Israel the USA would have to invent an Israel to protect her interest in the region.
u/bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml · 59 points
The middle east would be one of the most developed regions in the world if the US, with Israel as it's lackey, didn't spread its tentacles there.
u/Almacca@aussie.zone · 15 points
Probably not, sadly.
u/pennomi@lemmy.world · 15 points
Nah the US would find another “favorite child” to use for their proxy wars.
u/Grapho@lemmy.ml · 13 points
Something something inhuman shields something something
u/m532@lemmygrad.ml · 4 points
Specifically, in germany
u/Anomalocaris@lemm.ee · 41 points
last time they were aiming for the mossad and military bases, resulting in zero civilian deaths, which Israel celebrate as a faliure because they only consider civilian deaths as the success metric.
u/bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml · 32 points
Unfortunately, i think the most unhinged zionazis are hiding in Europe.
u/Droggelbecher@lemmy.world · 2 points
It feels like there's reason to inflate those numbers both for Israel and Palestine. Do we know they're credible? Genuinely asking, I'm not sure from my cursory searx.
u/OrteilGenou@lemmy.world · 8 points
All
u/SupaTuba@lemm.ee · 1 points
What the other commenter said. All citizens.
u/SupaTuba@lemm.ee · 1 points
Of course! All citizens.
u/Tiger666@lemmy.ca · 11 points
RIGHT?
u/Cethin@lemmy.zip · -2 points
>And before empires and agriculture and such, people weren't really organized enough to steal land (and weren't embedded deeply enough in the land for it to be stolen). They'd just move to the new land and become part of the people already there.
Yeah, that's my point. At one point in time land wasn't something owned, just something *utilized*. The fact that governments exert control over them implies they were stolen, as it prevents some people from utilizing it. See: Proudhon - What is Property?
u/Cethin@lemmy.zip · 1 points
Link?
u/queermunist@lemmy.ml · 5 points
Before colonialism, empires would conquer lands and then just make the people *who already live there* into their subjects.
And before empires and agriculture and such, people weren't really organized enough to steal land (and weren't embedded deeply enough in the land for it to be stolen). They'd just move to the new land and become part of the people already there.
u/Bloomcole@lemmy.world · 1 points
Someone made the same point so answered this already to show it is an invalid argument in the case of Palestine.
u/Cethin@lemmy.zip · -2 points
I would disagree. If you go back far enough, *every* land has been stolen. There is probably no piece of land that hasn't been held by multiple different groups over time.
I'd also argue a government existing *at all* is stolen land. What gives them the right to the land, instead of the people using it as they want? At some point someone decided the land was *theirs*, and not someone else's, and decided they could sell, lend, or use the land as they want, even if someone else also wanted to use it.
u/Bloomcole@lemmy.world · 6 points
Not 'every' land but I get the point.
Still it doesn't compare and there's no excuse.
In this case the colonising is still going on, hence the genocide.
They are not 'citizens' but colonisers.
They deserve all they get, what they don't deserve is sympathy.
u/queermunist@lemmy.ml · 3 points
But they didn't have to make a colony of European settlers to do that, did they? Egypt is a loyal collaborator with the US and it fulfills the same geostrategic goals, but the amount of support Egypt gets pales in comparison to Israel. Why is that?
We can't dismiss the ideological importance of Israel. The unlimited support of the 51st state is exactly because it is a settler-colony.
u/kreskin@lemmy.world · -1 points
This belief that Israel is a US controlled proxy has always vexed me.
So-- honest question here-- From inside the US it appears that our entire political apparatus is controlled by a relatively small sprinkling of zionists doing whatever is good for Israel and is inevitably bad for the US-- going all the way back to the Nakba. But theres always people (like yourself) on Lemmy and Reddit claiming Israel is a US creature under US control for US gain.
As an American my free speech ends and I get prosecuted if I say anything anti semitic. I CAN say racist things about anyone else, all I want as long as I dont start a riot.
Can you tell me why you are so certain zionism is controlled by the US (your understanding), not the US by rich zionists (my understanding)?
edit: Did you just ..downvote and run away from the question? It was an honest question.
u/Bloomcole@lemmy.world · 2 points
It's also a geographically beneficial located proxy.
u/queermunist@lemmy.ml · 8 points
The reason the US supports Israel is *exactly* because Israel is a settler-colony. They're part of the same genocidal settler project, Zionism is Manifest Destiny.
If landback wins in Israel the ones paying attention know that it's coming for them too.
u/Bloomcole@lemmy.world · 5 points
Don't think they care much. Or about anything except themselves for that matter.
The most navel staring country on the planet
u/IttihadChe@lemmy.ml · 3 points
Us next!
u/kreskin@lemmy.world · 2 points
Manifest destiny said the US land is all ours. Also Hawaii.
Divine right mandated by God, so..
/s
u/queermunist@lemmy.ml · 14 points
USAmericans sweating rn 😬
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u/Allero@lemmy.today · 1 points
In no way to be a snob, but could we tone it down? After all, we're mostly on the same page on that the state of Israel is committing war crimes, we only differ in who we blame for it.
Back to the substance:
First, Israel as an independent state exists since 1948, so yes, the absolute majority of people living in modern day Israel were born there; they are not the same people who came to displace Palestinians all those decades ago.
Second, I did not talk about IDF soldiers. Those who voluntarily joined Israeli armed forces do take part in an act of evil, and deserve to be judged. I do not support the same notion in respect to Israeli civilians and those on mandatory service.
Third, in your robber hypothetical, where are the Israeli civilians? Do they have to renounce their citizenship and go live abroad not to receive "stolen goods"? Someone who is opposed to the war taking place are not "robbers" here.
u/AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml · -1 points
How can you call me a robber just because I accepted all of these stolen goods that were stolen specifically for me to have?
Shut the fuck up holy god
Good. Go crazy. Shut the fuck up.
>Is being born in Israel enough to be seen as a genocidal maniac?
If you join the IDF yes it fucking is. And why are you acting like this is something that happened at the dawn of history? These are not people who were born there. These are people who settled there because they were told they could murder people and steal their homes. Stop making ahistoric excuses for fucking fascists, you fucking fascist piece of shit.
u/Allero@lemmy.today · 1 points
How are you engaging in genocide if you do not take part in the war? And especially if you denounce the actions of your government? Is being born in Israel enough to be seen as a genocidal maniac?
I swear this "settler" discourse is gonna drive me crazy at some point.
u/IttihadChe@lemmy.ml · 7 points
There are more Christian Zionists than there are Jews in total.
"Zionists are mostly Jews" is an objectively false statement.
Maybe specifically in Israel the statement could be seen as true, but that's only because Israel is a jewish settler ethnostate, so most of almost any grouping would be a majority Jews.
u/Tiger666@lemmy.ca · 1 points
Zionist are not jews. They might say they are but the are against Judaism just like southern Christians are not Christians.
u/Allero@lemmy.today · -2 points
Zionists are mostly Jews, but Jews are mostly not Zionists.
But yes, according to Talmud, Israel shouldn't exist.
u/Tiger666@lemmy.ca · 7 points
No, but all Israelis that are zionists maybe.
Zionists are not Jewish people, they are actually against Judaism.
I believe it's the Talmud that says Israel cannot exist until the messiah returns. This is why you have many religious Jews in the US against the state of Israel.
Zionists are the one and only antisemites.
u/AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml · 0 points
Hope you're acting ironic by saying that you can commit a genocide, put your gun over the fireplace you murdered a family to steal, and suddenly not be a valid target.
It doesn't matter if you put your gun down as a settler colonizer. You're still actively engaging in the genocide. You are still a valid target.
And the objective of any just war is to expel you.
Normally, they should first be offered to surrender.
Get on a plane and go home. No one's stopping you. That's your opportunity.
u/IttihadChe@lemmy.ml · 6 points
Israelis aren't walled in and prevented from leaving like Palestinians are in Gaza.
Israelis have no practical excuse to continue their occupation, especially when everyone is forced to serve in the IDF to actively aid the occupation rather than just passively.
u/lenz@lemmy.ml · 12 points
Idk man. If you’re a child, a unhoused, or a otherwise a person without the economic means to leave because your ancestors were settlers and you just so happened to be born in the colonized land, I’d consider you a civilian. I think your view is too black and white.
Screw you if you’re a deliberate Zionist benefiting from genocide though.
u/Allero@lemmy.today · 6 points
As long as they are not on active duty, they shouldn't be targets. And if they are forced to serve, they should still only be killed if they are an active threat. Normally, they should first be offered to surrender.
Hope you're acting ironic and do not actually call to genocide all Jews in Israel.
u/Eatspancakes84@lemmy.world · 4 points
I don’t want to talk ethics, but as a rule of thumb, winning a war is easier if you take out strategic targets than if you target civilians. Targeting civilians is what you do if your weapons aren’t precise enough to target tanks/planes etc.
u/Bloomcole@lemmy.world · 1 points
I hope you are being naive.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/11/9/poll-53-israelis-support-extrajudicial-killings.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/poll-half-of-jewish-israelis-say-israel-should-run-gaza-after-the-war-0-say-hamas/
Plenty of jews outside the apartheid state are against it.
Those that live there, wether bcs of propaganda or a superiority complex don't.
Maybe 5 to 10% maximum have normal views.
You know what they say about people trying the same thing and expecting different results.
u/arrow74@lemm.ee · -2 points
First let's settle one thing, Israel has no right to exist. I'm against assuming 100% of the populace is all for the genocide. The majority government and their supporters clearly are.
The apartheid state of Israel needs to end. The genocide needs to be stopped by any means, except a genocide in return.
The entire majority government and their supporters can hang.
I'm not going to condem the rest for a "thought" crime they didn't commit. Maybe they would have done the same thing, maybe not.
u/Bloomcole@lemmy.world · 4 points
Every government before him was the same, they're not 'hypothetical'. Ridiculous argument.
What doesn't exist is a reality where the next government isn't brutally mistreating Palestine.
Your hasbara is weak
u/IttihadChe@lemmy.ml · 2 points
Israel didn't become an apartheid genocidal occupation of Palestinian land under Netanyahu. It's has been since its founding.
You're suggesting we close our eyes and pretend their entire history doesn't matter, that we just blame the current figurehead and his (variable but typically increasingly few) direct supporters.
u/arrow74@lemm.ee · -1 points
Blaming the government in power and those who put them in power for the actions taken by the government is totally reasonable.
You're suggesting well "what about a hypothetical government that doesn't exist huh?". That doesn't matter. They don't exist. Blame the government
u/SupaTuba@lemm.ee · 1 points
Except, as is here in the US, we didn't all vote for that, now did we?
u/HERRAX@sopuli.xyz · 0 points
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u/Grumpyleb@lemmus.org · 2 points
The majority of the world is critical of ALL Americans now for Trump, he was elected twice, thant's on them all. Israelis have expressed majority support for this ongoing genocide and attacks on Iran, this is on them all.
Bomb a soverign nation "pre emptively" get bombed back.
Fuck the entire Israeli government and anyone who supports it.
u/HERRAX@sopuli.xyz · 5 points
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u/Lileath@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 12 points
The majority of Israelis supports the genocide of the Palestinians according to surveys and more than half of jewish Israelis support attacking Iran even without US support.
u/sudo_halt@lemmygrad.ml · 4 points
I mean if a candidate is the "Hello, I am literally hitler" candidate and you vote for them, maybe you're fucked in the head?
u/Bloomcole@lemmy.world · 4 points
The rest would do the same.
As they always have proven their entire miserable history.
Singling out Netanyahoo is Bernie the sheepdog's tactics of dammage control
u/SupaTuba@lemm.ee · -6 points
Well I'm glad all of your elected officials represent your views and morals.
u/IttihadChe@lemmy.ml · 35 points
Hopefully they take the opportunity for a fresh start and move out of the settler occupation of Palestine.
u/bus_factor@lemmy.world · 27 points
If they voted for Netanyahu they asked for it, and I have no sympathy.
u/AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml · 17 points
Fun fact: every citizen of the entity is considered a reservist so there ARE no civilians! If you're a settler you're a valid target no matter what!
u/kreskin@lemmy.world · 16 points
every citizen in Palestine and Iran too right?
u/Bloomcole@lemmy.world · 8 points
Shouldn't be a citizen on stolen land.
u/martin4598@lemm.ee · 4 points
Just a reminder: 82% of all the Israeli Jews support ethnic cleansing in Gaza.
Just saying.
u/Kbobabob@lemmy.world · 4 points
What kind of citizen? Palestinian? Iranian?
u/Cethin@lemmy.zip · 1 points
I don't. I only feel terrible for the ones who were opposed to these attacks on other countries. *Most* of them (if the statistics I've seen are to be believed) support the actions, so they deserve the consequences. Maybe these people dying horrifically will finally make others consider the value of lives.
u/SupaTuba@lemm.ee · 49 points
I feel terrible for every citizen killed or made homeless/jobless because of this.
u/goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org · 23 points
What they can't do some wars and genocide now???
u/gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de · 5 points
what?
u/sudo_halt@lemmygrad.ml · 4 points
literally hit hard
u/Kuori@hexbear.net · 24 points
there were hamas tunnels underneath ministry hq
u/BodyBySisyphus@hexbear.net · 27 points
Just a spontaneous exothermic reaction, that's all.
u/Anomalocaris@lemm.ee · 16 points
that top image hits hard
u/ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net · 8 points
So this is what a bitter fate looks like
u/frenchfryenjoyer@lemmings.world · 13 points
Ikr? Also if you're against Israel bombing hospitals full of children you're anti semetic! /s
u/IttihadChe@lemmy.ml · 3 points
It's a widespread Islamic phrase but yes it stems from Arabic it means "God is greatest" and is often chanted in celebrations in Iran (and anywhere else with high Islamic influence)
Many Muslims will use Arabic for certain religious/symbolic purposes regardless of native language as the Quran was revealed in Arabic so it holds special purpose and unites the global Islamic community as they all can understand such phrases no matter where they live/which language they speak.
As I posted the above comment there were reports of Iranians shouting it to each other from the rooftops and thousands taking to the streets in groups to chant it despite the threat of Israeli attacks to celebrate itans successful retaliation.
u/humanspiral@lemmy.ca · 4 points
I think that is an Arabic phrase. They speek Persian/Farsi
u/Kbobabob@lemmy.world · -1 points
No one is arguing a concept.
u/ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world · 2 points
Whatever helps you sleep at night (as long as you keep it moral).
u/DontMakeMoreBabies@piefed.social · -8 points
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u/ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world · 20 points
Zionists certainly don't believe they'll ever meet Him and be judged for their actions, that's for sure!
u/IttihadChe@lemmy.ml · 6 points
As the Iranians are shouting currently:
"Allahu Akbar!"
u/mesitoispro@ttrpg.network · 4 points
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u/DontMakeMoreBabies@piefed.social · 26 points
Good thing God isn't real.
u/BigMacHole@sopuli.xyz · 265 points
This is HORRIBLE! WHY can't Iran just let Israel Bomb Them in PEACE? IRAN IS ANTI SEMETIC!
u/yagurlreese@lemmy.world · 173 points
wow so sad, it's almost like they started multiple wars or something
u/mesitoispro@ttrpg.network · 131 points
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u/zr0@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 115 points
Oh poor Israel thought Iron Dome will protect them. Iran learned a lot from Ukraine. Drones in masses are enough to penetrate the shield. And don’t forget that the Iron Dome costs Israel 1 billion USD for each night in full defence mode. It only takes a couple of days, weeks until the Iron Dome is empty.
u/blimthepixie@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 89 points
There probably would be peace in the Middle East if Israel didn't exist
u/Grapho@lemmy.ml · 83 points
Went to the toilet and missed this one please do another
u/iAvicenna@lemmy.world · 77 points
fucking trigger happy Netanyahu should be publicly dragged behind a chariot until he dies for his genocidal crimes and bringing the world to the brink of third world war.
u/geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml · 66 points
Small bombardement video. Allegedly on Israeli ministry of defence: https://xcancel.com/Haqiqatjou/status/1933592695680680198


u/Kuori@hexbear.net · 54 points
all violence against fascists is justified
all violence against genocidaires is morally good
u/ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world · 49 points
May God help the righteous against the murderous, colonizing tyrants.
u/frenchfryenjoyer@lemmings.world · 45 points
Talk about getting a small dose of your own medicine
u/SoyViking@hexbear.net · 41 points
I hope it killed a lot of evil people
u/Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 40 points
May the entity crumble.
u/merdaverse@lemm.ee · 40 points
Missiles? No, that just looks like karma
u/Arcane2077@sh.itjust.works · 36 points
Hope they can direct hit the devil himself next
u/Hestia@hexbear.net · 35 points
Come back to America where you belong.
I’ll kick your fucking teeth in for perpetuating genocide, but at least you’ll be alive
u/nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 33 points
netanyahu approval rating is up among the israel population i bet
u/FunkyStuff@hexbear.net · 33 points

u/LordWiggle@lemmy.world · 31 points
Oh no! Some nazis got hit. Aaaanyway
u/KulunkelBoom@lemm.ee · 31 points
About time they got a taste of their own medicine.
u/Ilixtze@lemm.ee · 30 points
LGBT! 🌈🌟 🎉
u/Bloomcole@lemmy.world · 29 points
Go Iran!
u/WhyIAughta@lemmy.world · 29 points
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u/bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml · 28 points
BREAKING NEWS: Iran unprovoked attack on TelAviv.
u/LaserTurboShark69@sh.itjust.works · 26 points
This seems like a big deal
u/happybadger@hexbear.net · 25 points

u/hector@sh.itjust.works · 23 points
_What goes around comes around_
u/sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml · 22 points
Mashallah
u/Rom@hexbear.net · 20 points

u/Anomalocaris@lemm.ee · 18 points
are we going to find out where the bombs fell, or are they going to arrest the journalists trying to figure what where the Iranians targeting.
u/IndustryStandard@lemmy.world · 17 points
Higher quality video of the impact: https://files.catbox.moe/aq8vmw.mp4
u/geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml · 17 points
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOS1s7982Mc live, some rockets coming in
u/Rawdogg@lemm.ee · 16 points
Great news hopefully we see more strikes on the bloodthirsty jizzrael, Iran has the right to defend itself, the fucking rat netanyahoo fled to Greece to avoid retaliation coward zionazi cunt
u/Tenderizer78@lemmy.ml · 16 points
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u/ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net · 16 points
Barking like DMX rn
u/ceenote@lemmy.world · 11 points
Thanks, Bibi.
u/communism@lemmy.ml · 7 points
Udrub udrub tel aviv
u/ZWQbpkzl@hexbear.net · 6 points
What they hit?
u/BestBouclettes@jlai.lu · 1 points
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u/Commiunism@beehaw.org · -3 points
Calling it right now: it's a nothingburger as nothing ever happens