u/Crankenstein

Italy is also home of the people who responded to that regime by dragging Mussolini and his wife's bodies after their assassination across the country back to Milan, where they were unceremoniously dumped in a town square to be humiliated and desecrated, then hung on girders above a service station in the square by their ankles until they fell and subsequently were buried in unmarked graves.

!Person labeled Mass Movement Anarchist saying, "You call throwing dynamite around is Praxis?" Person labeled Nihilist Anarchist responds, while holding a lit stick of dynamite and waving nonchalantly, "Hey, as long as it works."

Yes, the state hierarchy has employed authoritarian violence against the people of the region... which will inevitably happen any time workers attempt to threaten the power of the dominant system and take back control over what is rightfully theirs from an unjust authority. That is just the logical outcome. It was the same when Feudalism's system of absolute monarchy was being threatened by the growing popularity of capitalist Liberalism's system of constitutional monarchy.

Hierarchical authority enforces its power over the people through implied violence of the system. "Obey the law (i.e. the will of those who hold authority in written form) or we will arrest/fine you (i.e. restrict your personal autonomy and/or access to goods and services)." When people disobey that system and disregard the threat of implied violence, it will ***always*** resort to employing overt violence to maintain their enforcement of their authority through the institution that is known as the police. This is why we say ACAB.

It just means workers need to be prepared for it so they can stand their ground and exert their own authority, even by engaging in their own acts of violence if necessary. All authority must enforce its control for it to be considered legitimate afterall.

Or the much closer Zapatistas.

Couldn't be more proud of every one of those workers. Take back what is yours, boys!

Fuck the Panama State for, as expected, employing authoritarian violence against workers standing up to oppression from a soulless corporate entity.

Goes to show who the state really cares about. It isn't the people.

The problem is you still care about companies. I don't. My position isn't "fuck the current players for not innovating" it is "fuck them for exploiting the needs of people, in this specific instance the need of transportation, for profits and their unjust system of private ownership that allows for it to occur."

The only thing Chinese cars being shipped here does is provide more cars. That's a good thing for people who need cars. Anything beyond this isn't my concern. I don't care if it is bad for the owners of companies; that's the fault of the system that requires them to compete for profit in order to be a valid business under the capitalist system. Manufacturing in this country can adapt and change their production and distribution to a different economic model, or they can get fucked honestly. If they don't, then, eventually, the system that gives them control over these resources will collapse, which to me is a good thing, and then people can take back control of what is rightfully ours from the parasitic class, and we can change the economic model without the need for their input.

All of your arguments are still based around the capitalist system. I don't care about it, if my needs and desires make it "bad for business", then boohoo. Change the system so it is no longer a problem. The interests of companies and their owners mean nothing to me.

>So your solution is change the whole system so you can buy a dumped Chinese car without any guilt?

And for the record, I wasn't attacking you personally. I was calling you out for using rhetoric, quoted above, that was deliberately phrased to undermine my argument. That was a bad faith argument and I was heated as I didn't appreciate my argument being blatantly misrepresented.

"buy"

How can you buy something in a system that doesn't utilize monetary economics nor private systems of ownership?

And having easy access to transportation is but one of many reasons to change the system. Don't act dumb with bad faith arguments like trying to frame it as the only reason.

That only matters under an economic system that necessities competition.

Change the economic system to one that encourages cooperation instead, and that won't be an issue.

Don't really care about the competition. I care about having cheap access to EVs. If the competition can't compete, then fuck em. That's not my problem.

My point was to expand on where yours was lacking. Not to convince you, but to provide more context for others reading it.

If destruction of property during a protest makes it "violent", then destruction of property via sabotage is also "violent".

My point being: regardless of what actions we take against the regime, it will always be classified as violence as an excuse to send the state dogs after the dissenters.

When it comes to actions done in protest of the regime, we are incredibly far behind on the escalation of our actions against it. We need to be protesting like the original union movements that occupied factories, sympathy strikes from related industries, anything and everything we can muster to bring the entire economy to a screeching halt until those who hold the reigns of industry give in to our demands as workers.

Ideally, we wouldn't stop there and, instead, continue until we, as a united working class, take back ownership of what is rightfully ours from a parasitic class of a few societal elite and dismantle their system which has reinforced their authority over us.

But we can cross that bridge when we get there.

First we have to get organized and start actually doing something.

I'm still just in stunned amusement that fucking Honda is joining the rocket races.

The prison and police institution it is part of needs to be abolished.

We need a system of Rehabilitative justice. Not Punitive.

They have for much longer and more consistently shared the fruits of those trees when they aren't being manipulated by social forces that condition them to compete with each other for readily available resources.

Humans are a communal species by nature. We only need to encourage that nature instead of continuing to allow a small subsection of the population to abuse it.


I will just be happy knowing that the American hegemony is ending even if I never get to see what comes after.

The old saying "plant trees whose shade you know you'll never get to sit"

Ah fuck, why am I not even surprised?

No, he is exposing America for what it has always been. What he is doing to the interior of the empire is what this country has been doing to the global south for over a century.

America has never been the "Good Guy"™ willingly.

The New Crusades was not on my bingo list.

None of our institutions encourage "learning"; they are built to encourage "making the grade". Why they need the grade and what it represents is irrelevant to students. It's just a barrier that society has placed in front of them.

There needs to be something done about how we, as a society, approach education because whatever we are doing ain't working. It apparently only worked at a very surface level and that was only because A.I. wasn't available yet to be an easy out.

Nice whataboutism.

Too bad that hypothetical is statistically unlikely, as the extremely religious are predominantly pro-MAGA by an overwhelming amount, to the point it could be readily argued that, if your hypothetical was true, it would be done in spite of their religious beliefs, not because of it.