Trump announces that the USA has bombed Iranian nuclear sites.

Much peaceful. Very tranquillity

no, it isn't. after all hitler was inspired by US racism. leave it to a fucking hack of an artist to find inspiration in the worst things

Is it really a surprise?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/feb/09/us-military-marines-nazi-ss-flag-photo

https://www.vice.com/en/article/marines-neo-nazis-military/

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/apr/14/us-military-extremism-the-base

And I've only looked for 30 seconds.

It's still the same in 2025

They used $14 millon to renove the Bathrooms-

The Navy has promised to alter the design of one of the buildings on site, which from above clearly resembles a Nazi swastika pitched at the correct 45-degree angle the Nazis used. A report by SFGATE suggests that top officials in the Navy knew what the design of the building would look like prior to the installation.[8][9]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naval_Base_San_Diego

Yo what

So much freaking parking space, what a waste.

I believe they removed everything of value and movable.

They also filled the entrances with truckloads of sand.

They were prepared.

Also no noticable seismic activity apparently on IRIS (didn't check), which is strange since they work by creating a mini earthquake.

Reports are that there is no increase in radioactivity at the bombed sites, so there either was no radioactive material, it was stored somewhere else, or it remained contained.

What? Who's saying you can't say that? The US is the world's biggest bully and has been for decades, it definitely deserves whatever it gets in return for it's atrocities, and I don't think that's an unreasonable or unpopular opinion on Lemmy!

This community is in trouble. America bombed and colonized my country. But I said it’s time America gets to feel war at home, instead of just dropping bombings on brown countries and i got my comments removed, like this one probably will be.

If you can criticize Israel, Iran, Russia, but not the U.S, you know this community is screwed. Im indigenous/Latino and I’m getting banned for saying the U.S deserves what’s coming

Meanwhile the voice of the opposition Chuck Schumer: “If TACO Trump is already folding on Iran, the American people need to know about it. No side deals,”

The war government

you mean Trump is a fucking hypocritical scum? no way!

I stand corrected. It's less clear which ones definitely need it, exactly. Wikipedia mentions that even Tc-99m generator designs *can* use low-enriched uranium. You don't need large quantities in that case, either, since a little radioisotope goes a long way and there's only so many people that need treatment.

"Highly enriched uranium (HEU) is anything enriched above 20% and weapon-grade uranium is commonly considered to have been enriched above 90% U-235. However, some research reactors use 90% enriched U-235 to produce medical isotopes, so there are civilian applications for this fuel too."

https://armscontrolcenter.org/uranium-enrichment-for-peace-or-for-weapons/

I've watched an hour long video on uranium enrichment once (one of the many times Satanyahoo cried wolf on Iran almost having nukes).

It is most definitely a huge step and there are many other factors.

It's really complicated matter.

I wish for them it wasn't and that they get one.

Yes, and that was a cruel, stupid move on the US’s part.

…But even if cooperation continued, it still would have given Iran expertise. Further enrichment is not a huge step, especially behind the cover of *real* civilian power programs, and given the rhetoric the state broadcasts and their neighbor’s hostility, it seems likely.

And that’s *fine* IMO.

I’m hugely afraid of proliferation, but going to these lengths to worry about it while the rest of the world burns seems ridiculous.

If that was true, they wouldn't have cooperated with IAEA for years, and it was ne US that destroyed any chances for a peaceful deal.

Power aside, Iran is also a major exporter in nuclear medicine & medical equipment.

To be fair, Iran wants a nuke down the line, and civilian uranium enrichment is a huge stepping stone. There’s lots of technical alternatives they could pursue if they really *just* want civilian power.

…And that’s kinda understandable. They have a neighbor that randomly bombs their civilians.

Fuck it, let them have one.

Heck, they should get a tiny bit of old Soviet+US stock in some kind of international deal, so they have credible deterrence with the guaranteed stability+security mechanisms (and oversight?) of their weapons.

(To be more specific, Cold War nukes typically have elaborate tiggers and failsafes meant to stop unauthorized parties from detonating them with any nuclear yield, and the old school Soviet and US systems are pretty good. Better for them to have that than an “insecure” home cooked design they waste money on, like the North Koreans allegedly have, IMO. On top of that, they’d have “known” detonation signatures, so if they ever go off everyone would know it’s Iran (defeating the fear of them “losing” a nuke to another party, or a false flag op against Iran)).

I mean, most of it is enriching, by the sound of it, and they've been doing that far beyond any civilian application. As a negotiating tactic, to date, per America's own intelligence.

>Thanks to these maniacs, Kim Jong Un now seems to be wisest person on the earth

The historical materialism is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be... unnatural.

This comment is already 60% of the way to being a Conksat post

The "emergency" was Netanyahoo starting the bombing of Iran, soon after someone said "Trump Always Chickens Out", so Don bravely joined in dropping bombs at no danger to himself.

The POTUS has the discretionary power to send troops and launch a military action without Congress approval in case of emergency alone. There wasn't any emergency.

Phew thankfully that's how its always done so just don't need to point it out ever again and keep with the status quo

Yes, as uus presidents usually do since WW2. But don't worry, I'm sure they'll tell you "THATS NOT US", and it's just Trump and definitely not a systemic problem.

Meh, skill issue

You need a reactor to produce the material needed for nuclear weapons.

people in latin america have a saying: you know why there are no coups in the US? there's no US embassy in DC

The US has a freebie wildcard

It's called the "who's gonna stop me" card.

Bullies like to play that one as often as possible.

The US has a freebie wildcard to bomb anyone anyway.

You just got to build an actual nuke before you build the power plants.

he's hoping iran retaliates. that gives him free rein to attack again and start ww3, thus making his billionaire buddies even richer.

Not a tactic. He's simply a demented old man. A narcissist one, but still.

>Take any puns from that you like.

I can think of so many lmaoo

"Dictated but not read." Is the phrase. Take any puns from that you like.

He most likely didn't type this

He’s used that sign off on a couple other messages. It is such an odd change of tone.

Makes me think it’s some weird manipulation tactic, or like the 17th time he says it it’s a code word to dismantle Congress or some shit.

makes you wonder how we got from JFK to trump.

Israël didn't order him to do that

The MIC in USA and Russia is making mega bucks regardless.

Lots of people tried to stop it but the material conditions of austerity on Germany post WW1 plus the banks smelling blood in the water kind of made it inevitable from a materialist perspective

Indeed. WW2 was a massive slow-walk into the full war. Everyone saw it coming from a mile away and nobody did anything to stop it. Similar to now where everyone can see that this is going to open more fronts.

At one point all the fronts might band together with more and more suddenly joining each side, and boom you have WW3.

WW2 didn't start overnight. There was a series of military actions that went unchallenged. That only made the belligerents bolder.

then it was Israel Hamas conflict

Stop acting like a genocide is a war

You're supporting it

WWI flashbacks. No UN. Reactionary military operations...

It will be a proxy war as usual.

Subjugation is liberation? Contradiction is truth?

That's because they are the same genocidal, colonialist state.

War is Peace. Freedom is slavery.

And now for your Five Minute Hate.

A perfect presentation of American thinking.

" we bomb you to have peace with you"

That line sounds like it was written directly by Netanyahu himself.

"We had to destroy the village in order to save it."

Comical is... A word. I'm not even a smoker, but I feel like a cigarette and some liqueur.

I'm so fucking tired...

**We come in peace**

^*shoot to kill*^

He really wants that Nobel Prize Obama got for waging 13 wars so he have to up the game.

_GWAR has entered the chat._

nOw iS tHE tiMe foR pEaCe

Give bombs a chance, buddy.

with BOMBS 💣

And he didn't, he's starting peace like it says in the tweet

He promised a lot of things. His promises are useless

So did Hitler and for that matter the Kaiser.

Lol... oh honey...

Soldiers attached to units are common practice. Canada does the same with other countries. Some are specific liaison position and others are one time exposure and training jobs. It’s very similar to colleges sending students to other countries for a semester.

Both are very different than full blown bases or complete units.


Where are the 3 US bases in Canada.

• https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/article/are-there-us-military-bases-and-american-troops-in-canada/

• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_American_military_installations

I don't think the US owns and operates all these bases. I think many of them are local military bases that the US has stationed troops at.

I agree this seems wrong. Could be referring to the historical bases like Pepperrell, Argentia, Goose Bay etc. but they were closed by the 1960s. NORAD bases do have US personnel on them, so do some Navy bases but by that count it would be far more than 3.

Where are the 3 US bases in Canada.

I very much challenge that statement.

No, economic factors matter *far more.* Religion is often used as an excuse, or plays some role, but the real drive is access to trade or resources or labor in the vast majority of cases.

Yes, and it's almost entirely due to one religion: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_religion

In reality nobody is actually fighting for "religion". They're actually fighting for nationalism, capitalism, etc.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_religion

Maybe, but religion had caused infinite more wars than all other reasons together in the whole history.

The reason I know this is fake is because the book isn't upside down

Do you know any social advanced, free and human rights respecting Theocracy? The problem with Trump is, apart of the religion, that he is an ignorant and stupid nazi asshole.


First of all, no. Secondly, no.

Religion isn't the cause, the mode of production is. Economic factors are *far* more important when it comes to war, including this one.

If there is no religion people will find something else to fight over.

Yeah Donald Trump is a devout Christian that must be the problem.

I wish this was news 

greed first. its religion AND capital. cherry-picked fairy tales used to oppress and control, making the privileged more powerful and less empathetic, brainwashing the ignorant and leading to so much pointless hate-- religion is a sword and greed is the hand holding it. maybe im wrong but religion wouldnt exist if people didnt want more and *more* and ***more***. more power, more superiority, more land (bc saying the land is holy and promised to you means its ok to take it by force), even the audacity to believe death isnt the end, they can have more life and shit? you cant own death. mankind evolved with so much creativity and abstract capabilities and this is where we are, dumb as hell.

Gotta erase all those disgusting borders.

Also gotta end the most violent and brainwashed religion of them all:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_religion

Ridiculous double standard. Has Putin ever lied, once in his life? Yes or no please, and be prepared to meet your own standard of evidence.

I'm still waiting for a single example of a lie. It's a very simple request, and if you can't find one, you claim that the media lies is wrong.

Because Israel has a complete ban on reporters in Gaza, for example, there’s no way to corroborate or refute what Israel said. It’s newsworthy to repeat what Israel said, but you can’t blame the media when someone reads that and assumes that the government is telling the truth

If there's no way to corroborate or refute what Israel said, *don't print what Israel said.* Lies aren't newsworthy, except as a way to report on the lies themselves for the purpose of debunking them.

Remember when Israel first started bombing hospitals and blamed Islamic Jihad for it? They still don't claim responsibility for Al-Ahli Arab Hospital, but after a year of targeting hospitals and doctors it's ridiculous to deny it at this point.

Yet there were few retractions or corrections. As far as CNN and The Guardian are concerned, Israel didn't bomb that hospital. What a joke.

As you said yourself, the government lies all the time, so why would you assume that “the government said X happened” means that “X happened”.

I don't think people make that assumption anymore, but that's because people stopped trusting the media. They published and promoted so many government lies that they've destroyed their own credibility.

People expect the media to investigate government claims and to publish the truth, not just parrot the lies they're fed. When the media doesn't do that, when all the major news outlets become court stenographers, people lose faith in the media.

Maybe people are expecting too much, but that's what people have been taught to expect. They were taught that journalists find the truth and report on it. They're finding out that journalists basically just print what their sources say and they can't just trust things because they're in the news anymore.

And it's going to get worse forever.

I see what you're saying here: if the media prints lies from a government it's not the media lying, it's the government

If the government manages to fool the media, yeah. If the government says to the media "the truth is X, but we're going to pretend that it's Y, so you print Y, ok?" and then the media goes along with it, then you can blame the media. In many cases, the media isn't able to fact check the things the government tells them. But, relaying what the government is saying is still important. Similarly, even though the media can't independently fact check the numbers that the Gaza Health Ministry reports, it's still valuable to have those numbers released too.

If the media is lazy about their fact checking you can call them lazy, but you can't call them liars, because lying requires knowing the truth and intentionally saying something untrue.

Here's the thing: if a government lies all the fucking time and the media keeps printing what the government claims anyway, then that makes them complicit in spreading the government's lies.

If the government says "the truth is X" and then the media says "X is true" then sure, you're right. But, if the media says "the government said that the truth is X", then it's up to readers / viewers to understand that the media isn't endorsing what the government said as being true, the media is simply telling you what was said.

The media doesn't get to wash its hands of the things it prints just because it puts "Israel says" before the headline.

Why should it need to wash its hands? That is exactly what Israel said. Because Israel has a complete ban on reporters in Gaza, for example, there's no way to corroborate or refute what Israel said. It's newsworthy to repeat what Israel said, but you can't blame the media when someone reads that and assumes that the government is telling the truth. As you said yourself, the government lies all the time, so why would you assume that "the government said X happened" means that "X happened".

I see what you're saying here: if the media prints lies from a government it's not the *media* lying, it's the government. If Israel says Hamas beheaded 40 babies and that's found out to be a lie, it wasn't the *media* lying about Hamas beheading 40 babies and so the media is entirely innocent of printing the lies fed to it by a government like Israel.

Here's the thing: if a government lies *all the fucking time* and the media keeps printing what the government claims *anyway*, then *that makes them complicit in spreading the government's lies.* We all know Israel's government spreads lies, so printing the lies it spread about Hamas is just doing the government's work for them. The media doesn't get to wash its hands of the things it prints just because it puts "Israel says" before the headline.

Do you think they're so incompetent as to leave evidence laying around that they had advance knowledge? I wonder, if that's the bar you set for US media, do you also set the bar there for, say, Chinese media? If Chinese state media publishes something that's untrue, would you dispute someone calling it a lie if you didn't have access to some official document openly confessing to advance knowledge? Even if such records did exist, it's not as if I, a private citizen, could get a warrant to raid their offices for it. You're setting the standard unreasonably high, you're just trying to shut down reasonable skepticism and legitimate criticism in favor of blind trust. I mean, what kind of idiot would write down "I know this story is false but I want you to publish it anyway," and then leave it lying around where someone could find it, when there's absolutely no reason to?

Here is an Intercept article about the fake news story published by the NYT to justify Israeli aggression in Gaza.

>You’re saying the media knowingly made up stories because they wanted to trick the US into going to war in Vietnam? What specific examples do you have of that?

That's not what I said at all. The US government wanted to go to war with Vietnam, the media simply wanted to win favor with the government and sell papers.

Were you aware that, in the aftermath of the Kent State Massacre, the vast majority of Americans placed more blame on the students for getting shot than on the National Guard for shooting them? Were you aware that, leading up to the shooting, there were all kinds of fake news stories on TV about how, for example, the protesters were putting LSD into the water supply? Stories that they conveniently retracted, after the moment had passed and the chance for a backlash was gone?

Anyway, the fact that they lie frequently isn't even the main point. The main currency of propaganda is not lies, it's emphasis. Biased framing and leading language are perfectly capable of shaping public opinion towards their agenda. Historical events that would justify or explain hostile actions of other countries are very rarely deemed relevant, and the same with internal politics that might show that only certain factions supported it. Our own crimes and acts of aggression are downplayed or ignored, so that when the other side retaliates, it seems to come out of nowhere.

For example, the 1953 coup in Iran, which was conducted by the CIA and successfully covered up for decades, demonstrates that even if Iran had a peaceful, democratic government, it would still likely be subject to US aggression so long as they tried to assert control over their own oil. The breakdown of relations in the 1979 revolution occurred when the revolutionaries took hostages at the US embassy, but what provoked that action was the US granting refuge to the deposed shah - the very same man who they had previously installed as a dictator in 1953. I think both of those events are very important to understanding US-Iranian relations, but you won't hear the news mention them, the hostage crisis is always presented as this unprovoked act of aggression.

This is just basic media literacy, really. You should always be skeptical and aware of bias and conflicts of interests with anything you read. Unfortunately, there's a tendency some people have to put certain sources on a pedestal as if critical thinking and skepticism isn't necessary when reading them.

The media told all sorts of lies to justify the war in Iraq

A lie is something they were aware was not true and published it anyhow. What sources do you have that the media was publishing stories it knew weren't true about Iraq? What examples do you have?

more recently, the New York Times published a false story about Hamas committing mass rape

What story are you talking about, and what specific allegations do you think it got wrong?

if you want to go further back they lied to get us into Vietnam

You're saying the media knowingly made up stories because they wanted to trick the US into going to war in Vietnam? What specific examples do you have of that? Again, if this is your claim, it isn't enough to show that they got some reports wrong. It's not even enough to show that they printed some things that in hindsight they should have known were wrong. Your bar is to prove that they knew ahead of time that they were publishing things they knew were untrue and did it for the express purpose of trying to get the US into war in Vietnam.

Your source says a peak of 86%, Gallup got 90% but either way it was an overwhelming majority.

The media told all sorts of lies to justify the war in Iraq, more recently, the New York Times published a false story about Hamas committing mass rape, if you want to go further back they lied to get us into Vietnam, and in every case it takes time for the lies to be exposed and by the time they are, fewer people see the retractions and it's usually too late to do anything about it anyway. Even when they aren't lying, they're using biased language and framing to push their agenda, and their agenda is, as I said, always pro-war, because war sells papers and if they're hostile to the White House (*especially* with Trump in there) then they'll get press passes revoked and won't be privy to information they would otherwise receive. Never in my life have I seen widespread media condemnation of *any* military action (unless you count the *withdrawal* from Afghanistan), and I believe you'll see the same thing if you look in the past, in conflicts like Vietnam. When Trump launched an unprovoked missile strike on Syria, during his first term, these people jumped over each other to praise him, to say that "that was the moment he became presidential," even publications that had been very critical of him before.

None of the media people (just like none of the politicians) were ever held accountable in any way for lying the public into a war, which set a clear precedent that they can do so freely going forward. Worse yet, it's often the very same people in similar positions of power. If you think that they're trustworthy and not biased, then I've got a bridge to sell you.

I don't think the media is necessarily "on his side". When the media sticks to just reporting the facts, people interpret it as the media taking the other side.

Also, his approval rating never got up to 90%. It was in the 80s in the days after 9/11 (which was sickening) but it dropped pretty quickly, and by the time the Iraq war began it was back down to almost 50%. It briefly went up after the war started, but then kept going down and down until he finally left office.

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2008/12/18/bush-and-public-opinion/

The whole reason they're not doing anything is that the democrats (who might do something) are in the minority in both the house and senate, so what they can do (without breaking rules and norms) is very limited. The Republicans either don't want to do something because they support what Trump is doing, or they're scared to go against him.

If you get a dozen Republicans who are willing to go against Trump, suddenly the anti-Trump side has a majority, which gives them a massive amount of power to do something.

The Senate and the House need to *do something* for margins to matter though.

60+%

It was 90%. Only 10% of Americans were capable of resisting the massive propaganda apparatus that manufactures consent at the start of every war of aggression. Vietnam was also very popular at the start.

But you are right that he's doing this without a strong justification. From what I've seen, mainstream media is still on his side, they love war, great for business. Whether enough Americans have learned anything from the disaster of the War on Terror to make any sort of lasting dent in the number capable of resisting propaganda remains to be seen, you'd think Vietnam would have but it's always "different this time," and people are frequently "anti-war, except the current one."

The dems have been supporting genocide for a long time. They've always been with Trump when it comes to anti-arab racism. Just look at their track record. Dems have constantly attacked Palestine, Syria, Iran, etc.

https://iranhumanrights.org/2013/04/crippling-sanctions/

thanks for the clarification i guess "military" is the right word

Just for fun it seems like it may have been the US Navy also

To be fair, it was probably the US Air Force, not the Army, who flew the planes and dropped the bombs...

This was new to me, but confirmed true by Snopes

I think you're confused, I'm a communist, I despise the US Empirevand condemn the war. Further, Israel doesn't control the US, the US supports Israel because Israel is like a giant millitary base for the US to terrorize its geopolitical adversaries.

Then, you're expected to topple your government, as much as you expect Iranians to bring down theirs. You're no better, expect you are on the dropping side of the bombs (and, sorry for the image, on the receiving side of Israel's dick).

Once you've done that and stop killing abroad, then you'll have some respect from the rest of the world. For the time being, no wonder airplanes inbound the US will stay half empty.

To be fair, the US *isn't* a democracy at all, and even among USians this war is extremely unpopular.

Yeah, kill the leaders, they deserve it.

At least 1/3rd of the US population fully deserves it, and another 1/3rd is in the gray area

His voters and liberal voters definitely are

It'll be burger brained riots when gas prices skyrocket, that will probably be enough of a shock to break the regime and start a crisis. I joke, mostly.

The US are a democracy, which means the people is responsible for the acts of their country. Sorry guys, you need to take responsibility.

Because civilians are always the most worthy and deserving target of state-sanctioned violence.

Sorry, but I hope it does. Aggression must have consequences, or there is no justice.

JFC. Pretty sure that Iranian civilians are the ones who need to worry.... Not to mention Palestinians, Lebanese, Syrians, Yemenis, etc.

it will. get ready

All US Marshalls will be androids, so you feel ok shooting them while living as an outlaw.

You will need a Bachelor's in some liberal arts degree to qualify for the outlaw profession. Outlaws pay taxes only every other year, and are categorized as "self-employed" so you have to track your own taxes.

Please also make it wild as well, I really liked west world and that animation where Johnny depp is a chameleon in case you want some examples of what I'd vote for.

Why would I fight? I'll just dodge the draft and fasttrack my presidential campaign.

My platform is ABWA: America Becomes West Again. Everyone does horses, cowboy hats, and guns again. You wanna travel further than 3 towns over? Train.

The photo should just be an Israeli flag.

Henry was clever and sneaky in his malice, like today's Thiel. The cheeto guy though pulls all the levers but dodges shit like he had 10 LUCK or something.

Henry Kissinger lived to 100.

DON'T GIVE TRUMP IDEAS.

Fisher Price

What are you smoking

I know you meant that this could escalate to a long war that your child may eventually be drafted into, but my initial mental image was a battalion of toddlers each carrying a Fisher Price branded "Baby's First Assault Rifle".

I don't see ww3 taking long enough for that to happen, take that for what it's worth.

Damn, that's a really good point. They've created the scenario that is most likely to haunt them.

They probably dismantled it for that reason. Good excuse to arm up and lock down

oh god, I don't often wish ill on people, but PLEASE IRAN, assassinate trump.

True, but taking out a mayor isn't their goal.

Considering some rando nearly got Trump, and how the MAGATs have dismantled their intelligence apparatus and completely lack an interest in risk assessment...Iran actually has a decent shot. Literally and figuratively. After all, you don't have to ID yourself if you claim to be a member of ICE. Just wear a mask, don't use license plates, and carry weapons, you will look like every other random gravy seal.

Depends on the official, really.

But do they really have that capability? I agree, it'd be totally justifiable and a credible war target, but let's be realistic here.

It's obscene that the resistance forces need to keep appealing to international law in order to maintain credibility while isrl and the empire enact such wild and open terror and war crimes.

People fighting to liberate themselves from fucking nazis having to justify themselves to nazi sympathizers.

Iran would be perfectly within their rights to assassinate various US government officials. After all, that's exactly what the US and Israel have been doing in Iran.

Draft dodging chickenshit obey his Israeli master.

They may make the US shoot down there own airplanes and dump them into the sea.

Yemen also promised to attack every US ship in this occasion.

Iranies are not orange pigs posing as gods. If they promised it, they will stick to it, unless something truly convenient for them all is in the horizon.

They used all their bombs on Israel . \s

 <-- Current historical moment

I think it'll require digging a trench for baby boomers

The peace of the grave.

we will have PEACE, or ELSE there will be WAR! Thank you for your attention to this matter

Unfortunately the liberals scared all the cities from gun ownership...

The Americans who have a problem with this administration and are also gun owners are unfortunately rather few in numbers.

Not only does Pakistan have weapons to reach Israel, it has *nuclear* weapons to reach it.

• <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction>

• <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaheen-III>


Also, Pakistan borders Iran, which means together they could move such weapons much closer to Israel.

My logic was exactly what I said it was. I never claimed it was good logic. And I never claimed to be psychic and magically understand what other people's logic is despite them plainly saying their logic is something else. But if that's what makes you feel superior enough to get through the day then you do you.

You're psychologizing. Russia as a nation does not have a psychological need to reestablish it's former Tsarist empire. It's entire aim militarily is to prevent encirclement by the US.

>it’s widely believed

Whenever you see this phrase, it's going to followed by nonsense nobody serious believes.

>the logic

The logic is that you went "oh, China and Russia are bad guy countries, so they'll go on the bad guy team, just like in the comic books!"

Despite Western war propaganda to the contrary, Russia doesn’t presently have expansionist ambitions. Previously. Previously. Previously.

Yeah and I just saw (after writing all that!) that Russia and China had warned the USA to not attack Iran, so I could absolutely be way off base there.

Edit: the logic had more to do with Russia's ambitions to reform their lost empire. Afaik it's widely believed that after Ukraine, Russia will go for Kazakhstan and possibly Afghanistan. It's less that I see Russia siding with the USA and Israel, and more that I think Russia will be opportunistic in its military expansion.

Placing the US, Russia and China as allies during a hypothetical WWIII? That's a VERY bold claim.

Also, really doubt the EU could use NATO to declare war on the US, as the US are still the vast majority of NATO's firepower and command.

I'll still tell you: You're the wrongest I've ever seen

Have you ever taken even a single look at the real world?


Australia will fall in line behind the US because we always fucking do like a bunch of patsies.

Europe and Canada would never ally with Iran.

Pakistan. They said that if anyone attacked Iran besides Israel

We have no record of Pakistan saying that. Iran claimed Pakistan said that.

But in terms of what we do know Pakistan is doing, is it nominates Trump for the Nobel Peace Prize.

It's not just conjecture, it's complete delusion. Pakistan never committed to put feet on the ground for Iran. It would be beyond idiotic considering the state the country is already in.

And even if all logic died and Pakistan somehow sent military support, Israel and the US are more than capable enough to handle it themselves. They don't need India's support and India, being the world's poster child for non-alignment, won't give it even if asked anyway.

It might be hard to understand but India has unironically been friendly with *both* Iran and Israel at the same time.

pakistan will do fuck all. Talking shit is cheap, actually goto war will not happen

do pakistan has weapons to reach israel? and maintain offence for a week?

where's pakistan gonna buy weapons from, china?

Cuz they're loud, duh

No

Address the second part of my comment.

Whatever it takes… whatever it takes….

Ok how?

Also you do realize almost every democrat supported this shit too right?

Destroy America, trump is irrelevant

On the bright side, they can now be court martialed.

Their executives have been given military titles of Lieutenant Colonel already! Without any military training or fitness test.

https://defensescoop.com/2025/06/13/army-detachment-201-executive-innovation-corps-meta-openai-palantir/

Inflection point and an opportunity to have radical change if we seize it. Organize unionize and strike NOW

close enough

I want to say "artificial intelligence political action committee", but I'm thinking that's not it?

He's also a good writer and *seven pillars of wisdom* is a fascinating book.

When things go the way they're headed, remember the words of T.E. Lawrence, war with an empire is all flank and no front.

Maybe reading the book written by the guy who started this mess can help us end it.

have you heard of AIPAC?

???

'They' have been planning this strike in earnest at least since the early 00's, and war with Iran was always part of the plan to fully colonize West Asia. Israel is America's way to conduct proxy wars in the region, with a degree of autonomy like the Houthis and Iran, but still entirely dependent on their masters. Nothing was going to stop this expected geopolitical move, and don't think a Democrat would've done this any differently... didn't Biden say we would have to invent Israel if it didn't exist? (double lol on that one) The mechanics of the empire continue regardless of how things are managed inside...

should be called USW, united states of war.

Scummy landlord’s gonna scummy landlord.

The Democrats support this

Yeah, the republicans make a mess like the Israeli air force, the democrats"clean up" like the IGF

Yeah I remember Biden cleaning up everything. Fixing the genocide in Palestine. Making peace with Iran... JFC.

You honestly believe that there is a peacefull path left at this point? The system is rigged by design, and you are not going to restore democracy in the courtroom.

Quit playing Martin and start playing Malcolm. Pick up a gun and kill your fascist leaders before they kill all of us.

Goodbye Hormuz, I mean, why wouldn't they?

This isn’t on the majority of US citizens.

Its obvious our entire socio/political system is corrupted by money. The idea that a group of sociopaths who behave as if their socio economic status grants them impunity to act as though they have divine provenance to manipulate whatever they please for some reason view the us democratic system as too sacred for them to touch is foolishly naive.

There is the election fraud case in rockwell county new york that is moving forward. And besides that i like to call attention to Germany the supreme court of which decided that electronic voting is unconstitutional as it is impossible to determine the difference between fraudulent results and legitimate ones for lay people or anyone who is not a cybersecurity/ IT expert.

This coupled with the corporate media’s narrative manipulation and successful attempts to shift the Overton window as far right as possible in the last 5 decades as well as such insidious techno fascist tactics such as Israel’s consortium of tech contractors called Team Jorge in operation since st least 2015 which engage in hacking, and social media narrative manipulation through sophisticated bot farming it paints a picture that the American electorate is ultimately powerless and being insidiously controlled by a group of disgusting power hungry fascists that are engaged in a class war with us.

Anyone directly responsible for the current state of the USA and gloval affairs involving Israel deserve no mercy whatsoever. Including the overly audible minority of conservatives who have been lead to believe they are the majority and the world is their oyster to shit on and step on freely with complete impunity.

But the majority of us are good people who dont want this. Especially the millennials and gen z. The Democratic party has shifted so far right to appease it’s corporatist(fascist) masters and education standards have been gutted so most people dont even understand how we are being victimized. Maybe my faith in humanity is misplaced considering how igly things are but leftism has always been popular especially among educated people and this is why the right has destroyed education standards. As nixon and reagan advisor roger freeman said “we are on the verge of having a highly educated proletariat, this is dynamite! We have to be more selective of who we allow through higher education. At the time he said this before the Reagan administration some public universities especially federal

Land grant universities has free tuition and many others that were not free were $50 per semester. Even yale was $700 per semester for tuition before the 1970’s now you need yo go into massive debt to get a degree that might gaurantee you a wage of $25-30 after you graduate with a debt of 50-100K at least if not 4-10 times that.

They want dumb complacent obedient workers who will not object to being looted so they can live in opulence at our expense while simultaneously funding their forever wars to further their imperialist agenda and profit motives.

Iran’s stockpile is still within the bounds allowed under the nonproliferation treaty that Iran, the US, and all but five UN states are party to. And given what the US and Israel have been up to in West & Central Asia over the last 23 years, why wouldn’t that public taboo have been broken?

General Wesley Clark 📺 “7 countries in 5 years”: Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Iran

>Forget the intelligence community’s Annual Threat Assessment that “Iran is not building a nuclear weapon and Supreme leader Khomeini has not authorized the nuclear weapons program that he suspended in 2003,”

Weirdly enough that assessment says

>In the past year, we've seen an erosion of a decades long taboo in Iran on discussing nuclear weapons in public likely emboldening nuclear weapons advocates within Iran's decision-making apparatus. Iran's enriched uranium stockpile is at its highest levels and is unprecedented for a state without nuclear weapons

I mean the intelligence reports said it wasn't. The people who said it was are known liars Trump and Netanyahu.

Id believe the Intelligence community over those clowns.

*Tell me you learned nothing from the Iraq War without telling me you learned nothing from the Iraq War.*

Chris Hedges: War Deja Vu | *The lies told to ignite the war with Iraq have been resurrected to ignite a war with Iran. The assessments of intelligence agencies and international bodies are dismissed, replaced by hallucinations.*

So you are saying everyone saying Iran was building nukes were lying? At that point, how do you know the news of the us bombing Iran isn't also lies?

I was going to be rude but then I got the pun.

Yeah I forgot which letters belong to it, the one that does chemical weapons too

Edit: meant the IAEA earlier.

It doesn't seem like it would be the organization to specialize nuclear proliferation investigations .

No, they didn’t. The Did you learn nothing from the Iraq War?


Jake, turn off the bot farm!!!

That's not something that happened yesterday. There have been no serious chances in the last 20 years or so, according to the ~~oecd I believe~~ IAEA.

trump indeed has the same mental capacity as an elementary school bully

The violated international by proliferation of nuclear arms.

I wasn't joking.

You laugh but several members of Congress bought stocks in defense contractors shortly before this military operation

Sometimes laughing is all we can do in times like this

“So we still get paid and we don’t have to do anything? That’s amazing! Haha, but why do I have to face the wall for this part?”

It's weird to laugh in a time like this. Thank you, I guess.

Nah, they're all on the phone with their stockbrokers.

They're too busy changing their pants after their wishes finally came true

In 2001 when The US authorized use of force on Al-Qaeda that, along with The 1973 war powers resolution gave the president (as in the position of president, not just Bush) unlimited ability to bomb anyone loosely associated with Al-Qaeda in perpetuity.

It's what allowed Bush, then Obama, then Trump, and then Biden, and now Trump again, to use the military as they see fit for performing military operations against basically any state and group in the middle east.

Congress has been increasingly abdicating more of its powers for several administrations now

https://pressgallery.house.gov/member-data/party-breakdown

220 Republicans

212 Democrats

His first term was complete shock, that one slipped by me.

here is a trick to determine if they are warmongers:

are they capitalists? yes? then on a large enough timeline they will support war as long as it bring them profit. and war is always profit.

You mean the guy who assassinated one of Iran's top military commanders during his first term?

I love your solution-oriented mindset, but just feel the need to clarify one point. This is what the US has always stood for, it's always been a wretched hell-empire run by rich ghouls willing to drown the world in blood. Those of us who want to get along and not kill everybody, *we're* the traitors, just factually speaking. And that's a good thing

>Its... kind of a massive flaw in the US Consitutional framework, that a President effectively has an incredible veto power when it comes to international agreements.

not a flaw, this is a feature of US power

While the masses that supported the regime change in Libya that Obama and Hillary were pushing with straight up KKK level propaganda ("Gaddafi handing out viagra for mass rapes" + "Gaddafi recruiting mercenaries from sub-Saharan Africa" = real migrant workers from Chad were getting hanged from bridges by the "rebels for democracy") and is currently a slave market are what? Unfrustrated, tolerant, intellectual, classy liberals?

The entire US middle class on both sides turns to a cheerleader for the military industrial complex with only slightly different narratives to support it each time. The presidents are puppets of economic forces, snap out of it.

Hear hear. Great man theory is absurd. If Kamala was at the helm I guarantee it wouldn't be any different, only libs wouldn't protest because slay kween we came we saw he died

It is the superstructure, it is the machine of capitalism that needs to feed. Watch oil futures on Monday and remind me who is the greatest producer of crude and LNG today?

There's a reason I said _almost_ singlehandedly.

Would you prefer 'played a pivotal role'?

Yes, a lot of Democrats went along with the revocation of the agreement, and then failed to get a new agreement in place during the Biden admin, after Trump and the Reps also failed to get a new deal in Trump's first term, despite that being one of Trump's campaign promises.

But Trump, as the head of state, signed an executive memorandum that cancelled it.

Which is a thing that a US President can actually do unilaterally, whereas drafting or accepting a new deal, an international treaty, has to go through Congress.

Its... kind of a massive flaw in the US Consitutional framework, that a President effectively has an incredible veto power when it comes to international agreements.

https://www.yalelawjournal.org/forum/presidential-power-to-terminate-international-agreements

Could/Should the Dems have reformed this, threw a massive shit fit about this?

Absolutely yes.

But in this particular instance... the whole scenario really actually does hinge on the President being singly able to do something extreme, with no real, effective, balanced check on that power.

I do not need to invoke or subscribe to Great Man Theory to point all this out.

Trump is a symptom of many greater, unchecked sicknesses and decay and corruption in American politics and society... he is simply the fraudulent idiot man-child r*pist that the masses of frustrated, hateful, intolerant, anti-intellectual bigots projected their yearning for spite and revenge onto, and empowered.

The worst war crime of your life *so far*

Hitting nuclear facilities with conventional weapons is just dirty bombs with extra steps. These attacks are a number of international high crimes, including the nonproliferation treaty.

Well, at least for once, something could actually be worse.

But of course tomorrow will happen so then that metric gets reset.

There is aerial photo on the AlJazeera website right now from a day or two before the strike with like 8 trucks moving it

\*immense relief*

They knew this was happening, we all knew. I hope this is not just a claim. It's not like you can just take nuclear material home in a jiffy.

If you are talking about conventional bombs that are comparable to a small nuke in a ground burst or air burst scenario, yes.

But not for ground penetration, no.

A conventional explosive displaces, creates a pressure wave that fractures and shatters things, but that pressure wave behaves differently when applied to different materials.

A nuke creates a ball of plasma that is so hot that it evaporates everything inside the primary blast radius, and then also a pressure wave when that miniature sun displaces things and wants to expand outward in every direction.

A 20 kt nuke will make an all incinerating fireball approximately 200m in diameter... so that means everything in a 100m radius from the point of impact, is now plasma... and then on top of that you get the massive pressure wave extending damage further beyond that.

Nukes are considerably more effective as deep pemetrator weapons than conventional explosives are.

The GBU 57 MOP, going off publically available info, can destroy earth (meaning soil) 60m under its point of impact... but only about 18m under reinforced concrete.

A mountain, with a reinforced bunker complex under it, is going to be a lot closer to reinforced concrete than it is to soil in some dry lakebed testing range.

And Fordow is roughly 80m, possibly more, underground.

So... the tactical nuke can basically guaranteed do that mission in one accurate hit, whereas with GBU 57s, you'd need a number of them, and you would have to basically drill a bore hole by dropping successive bombs into the same hole.

And uh, last note, the MOAB is just shy of 22,000 lbs, has a blast rating of about 11 tons of TNT. Its not a ground penetrator though, it is thermobaric, a fuel air bomb.

The GBU 57 MOP is a 30,000 lb bomb, and... rough math works out to about... maybe 1 kiloton, max, probably less?

I guess we'll have to wait for Warthunder to add the B2 and GBU 57 and then eventually someone will leak the real specs.

What gives you the idea that I have any such idea? I find that quite puzzling.

What gives you the idea that Trump gives any fucks about lying?

Even conventional detonations on top of nuclear reactors or nuclear stockpiles?

Because nuclear detonations are very different to conventional ones, and every major power has satellites monitoring for them. They can’t be hidden.

What's so fantastical about the US using a tactical nuke and then lying about it?

Looks like that didn't happen here, but I see no reason that it *couldn't*.

A nuclear detonation is a very delicate and precisely controlled process. It doesn't just happen because a bomb goes off near the nuke. So sure, they can say anything, but there will be obvious evidence.

Speaking of saying anything, I'm going to look for reliable confirmation that this even happened. I'm not taking Trump's fucking tweet for it.

Sure, in fantasyland

There's different isotopes in the fallout, different radio spectrometry or whatever, but I think they could lie and say that the reason it looks like a conventional nuclear weapon is because Iran was hiding a nuke and they blew it up.

>you'd have to throw like 20% to 40% of the entire US stockpile of these

Anything for a Nobel peace prize.

JDAM is supposed to have a circular error probable of 5m and it's an upgrade kit from 25 years ago. I can definitely believe that a much newer purpose-built weapon can do better than that. The idea of hitting the same spot with multiple bombs might not actually be that unlikely

I can totally see Trump just having a bunch of random bombs dropped in the general area, declaring victory and telling everyone to fuck off though.

Iran will not dispute the strike was effective, and neither will Israel.

That's not how it works. You can tell the difference between radiation from a nuclear weapon and a conventional bomb used on radioactive materials. If they used nukes they won't be able to cover it up for very long.

Iran claim no radiation leak or contamination because they moved the uranium before the strikes and nothing was stored there

See this is exactly what I am worried about.

The Fordow site is simply under too big of a fucking mountain for even our largest conventional penetrator bombs to actually significantly fuck up... unless you basically were able to pull off multiples of those bombs hitting the exact same point from nearly the same angle...

GPS guided bombs are accurate, but not _**that**_ accurate... you'd have to throw like 20% to 40% of the entire US stockpile of these fuckoff huge conventional penetrator bombs to literally dig a hole through the mountain.

... Or, you drop one tactical nuke.

fucking not good

...

like this is what those air radar images were showing from 24/48 hrs ago.

That was probably the US's entire fucking B2 Bomber Fleet deploying.

...

EDIT:

Yep 24 to 48 hrs later and...

Apparently around a dozen 30,000 lb, GBU57s were used, there are at least 3 distinct impact sites visible from Sat Imagery...

And oh hey well, a whole bunch of people are now claiming that... did these do damage?

Sure yes.

Did they 'utterly obliterate' the entire site?

Not according to Israel, and a good number of others.

So... 1) thank God they did not actually use a tac. nuke.

2) Yep, they threw roughly 1/3 of our entire GBU 57 inventory at Fordow alone, and also the bombs were not accurate enough to inflict repeated, concise hits.

Yeah but we have bombs that can do about what a small one would do without using radioactive materials. If they want to nuke them with Trump they'd go for something big and spectacular, like when he dropped the massive moab

Trump is not single handedly responsible for jack shit. Get the fick outta here with this great man theory nonsense. Almost every single democrat has been in lock step supporting this shit.

They were not.

Trump II has felt like W Bush III this problem is bigger than him.

It's the perfect crime. They bombed nuclear sites, which means there are going to be radiation spikes regardless of what kind of bombs they dropped, which means they could drop small nukes and probably get away with it.

I'd rather not be in the world of ruin timeline.

Doubt it. Climate change is already happening, but we can mitigate its effects the earlier we tackle it. Plus, no idea who is floating the collapse idea around.

"Total global Civilizational Collapse by 2050" is being tossed around

By whom?

Idiots toss around a lot of stuff.

It would be hilarious if Trump's, Israel's and Iran's actions end up triggering significant climate action out of the sheer cost of continuing to burn oil. The last fuel crisis in the 70s actually caused significant amounts of research into alternatives and some interesting electric vehicles were actually released during that time

Inshallah

I don't wanna jinx it, but

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suez_Crisis

Soy Right, at it again

Thank you for attention to hamberder

And then he eats his hamberder too.

Many such cases.

He ends a bunch of his tweets that way, he's very strange.

He's read a few work-emails recently (by accident, naturally) and some of their jargon seems to have stuck with him.

“Thank you for your attention to this matter”

????

It wasn't before already?

Thank you for your attention to this matter.

Wanna take a trip to the George W. Bush Presidential Library and Museum and liberate this banner for the memes?

NOW IS THE TIME FOR PEACE!

Irony truly is dead.

There's always a tweet:


Getting these vibes


Congress?? Hello?



It's not a meme, it's real


A full payload of BOMBS was dropped on the primary site...NOW IS THE TIME FOR PEACE!

How the F*** can anyone use these two lines in a single paragraph. Absurdity here is comical

We killed a bunch of people but now I want peace....

I punched you but please don't hit me back or I'll cry.


Just saw this earlier.

May the US Empire crumble to dust, its only vestiges a dark stain on human existence for future historians to look on with disgust.

Please tell me none of these bombs were nukes...

Fucking amazing.

PNAC gets its way in the end, despite at least 40% of Trump's rise to political prominence being due to him being one of the few Republicans to criticize... you know, all the pointless meddling and wars in the ME.

... And Trump is almost single handedly responsible for all of this.

He tore up the nuke deal Obama made. He massively mismanaged every element of the Israeli/Palestine situation. Fucking stepson Kushner's gonna figure it out, don't worry.

Oh yeah lets piss off everyone and move the embassy to Jerusalem.

Beyond contemptible.

The man is a demon.

Kefka?

Is Trump Kefka, or is that an insult to Kefka?

Fucking childish demon clown that just wants to blow up the whole world so he can feel _**special.**_

Stupid cunt actually wrote “Thank you for your attention to this matter.” Like he’s some douche reminding you to pay a bill.

You can always count on the USA to start new wars.


Noting like dropping bombs while professing a desire for peace.

The US must be brought to heel.

This statement from Trump is unsurprisingly disinformation. Most people interpret "nuclear sites" as nuclear bombs instead of completely legal power stations for civilian infrastructure.

Please don't recite this disinformation uncritically. That's just recycling propaganda.

Instead it's worth emphasizing that the zio regime actually has rogue nukes and is using them to threaten the planet with a nuclear holocaust. That's the actual problem.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Option

We've become the United States of Israel. Don't let anyone tell you differently. They put Israel first, not Americans.

Nothing says now is the time for peace like dropping bombs on people, amirite?

Draft-dodging chickenshit starts war. Neat

The worst part is, international laws and conventions are basically means nothing at this point. US actions simply incentivizes more countries to get mass-destruction weapons.

• Does US call you as 51. state? Get a nuke.

• Does US want to invade your island? Get a nuke.

• Does US want to airstrike your country? Get a nuke.

• Does US government officials breach your constitutional rights? Maybe consider owning a mini-nuke.

Thanks to these maniacs, Kim Jong Un now seems to be wisest person on the earth...

Hopefully Iran keeps to its promise to bomb every US military installation in the Middle East if the US intervened.

Any member of the US army is a criminal, you are not defending your nation, you are attacking another one.

Anyway, the San Diego Naval Amphibious Base Coronado shows the american dream


What an absolute joke.

I can just imagine him writing it, hunched over, peck-hunting for the keys. He starts typing bombs. No, he thinks. Slowly backspaces. Starts giggling to himself as he presses the caps lock key. "This will show them how serious I am about my bombs!"

peck peck peck "B-O-M-B-S"

Probably sits back in his chair admiring it for a moment. "Perfect. Very strong. Very powerful bombs."

Then immediately starts typing about peace in the same shouty caps because why not? Everything deserves caps lock! BOMBS! PEACE! WHATEVER!

Then ends it with "Thank you for your attention to this matter" like he just sent out a memo about updating the office dress code instead of announcing he bombed another country.

It's such a weirdly formal, corporate sign-off after the most unhinged announcement possible. As if bombing other countries is just another agenda item he's keeping us informed about. Very considerate of him to loop us in on World War III via Twitter memo.

Absolutely deranged.

I hope that Iran will make Project 2025's backers find out. Our bastard leadership think there are no consequences for doing evil and stupid things, and are in severe need of an attitude readjustment.

Can we have like a week or so where everything isn't totally fucked? Is that asking too much?

This is what happens after a failure of a parade and being laughed at enough to leave the g7 early. This was his ego boost he needed. Oh. And oil or something.

We've launched an unprovoked and unwarranted attack Upon A Sovereign Nation. Now's the Time For Peace. It's an amazing sentiment. It's like a school bullies who hits you and then says you can't hit me back.

Well... Hopefully my 2 year old doesn't have to fight in this bull shit. :/

This should never have happened. Fucking psychopathic orange lunatic.

No new wars Trump strikes again, once again, with war.

Gotta prop up your masters when they tell you to invade.

America. Fucking. Sucks.

Bombing for peace. What a clown.

This cunt Just Started World War 3.

Now would be the time for you Americans to get your sacred guns out and eliminate your tyrannical goverment. Please act quickly before the fascist cunts get us all killed.

tHe PeAcE pReSiDeNt

(Rather, the clown president)

Gotta feed $ to Raytheon, Halliburton, Lougheed Martin & the billionaire class.

🤷🤷‍♀️🤷‍♂️

LOL impeachable AF but the US 😴😴😴

International laws doesnt exist for amrika.

Fucking scum

Death to America

This feels a lot like start of a WW3 for the third time in past few years.

First it was Russia-Ukraine war, then it was Israel Hamas conflict, now its this.

There are theories online that say it was a symbolic attack and that they even warned Iran where and when they would strike.

*First some technical stuff and facts*:

There is much doubt even bunker busters would do significant dammage to Iranian facilities.

At an estimated 90 -120 meters depth they are well below the range of their capabilities (60 meters).

And they are heavily protected by various layers and nobody knows where they are exactly.

Only the entrance and building on the surface is visible.

The US have only used them once against Yemen and claim they could go deeper by doing double taps.

This has obviously never been tested.

*Now some speculation*:

The Americans knew they only had a small chance of success (despite the reported mission success propaganda) and 100% certainty of committing an act of war.

Then why would they do it?

Fact is the genocide state is getting hit harder and harder, as Iran announced they would.

There is huge devastation and the situation is untenable.

They realise they have bitten off more than they can chew and already showed signs of weakness.

The US 'taking out' the imaginary threat and casus belli would solve that problem and give the genociders a way out of the war without losing face.

As the Iranians said they would stop attacking if they did.

For Trump it would OC be a huge media victory showing how powerful they are and how they saved the poor genociders.

Too soon to tell what is true for now.

We'll have to see what the actual dammage is, if Iran strikes back and if the war ends.


I honestly thought he wasn't a war monger judging from last term. Man, was I wrong. He's a complete POS.

Republicans, you can fire him at any time, you're letting this happen.

Didnt he promise not to start a war?