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10 points ·

As best as we can tell, he truly didn’t care what locals thought. He wanted to buy the land and make everyone else leave so an all Jewish state could be created.

Unfortunately this plan didn’t sit well with the locals who eventually stopped selling land to these newcomers, and the rising illegal immigration caused conflicts. Eventually an actual war erupted and new militias massacred and forcibly expelled the local Arab communities, creating the Israel we have today.

Herzl’s concept wasn’t as terrible on paper as it actually was in practice. (It just wouldn’t work in modern society where countries aren’t governed under ethnic supremacy) But likely if the World Zionist Congress had voted a different way, we’d be talking about how awful Israel was for mistreating Ugandans and forcing them off their land.

21 points ·

It’s actually a good question. We didn’t.

The desire to create a country Israel came about in the 1800s, when Theodor Herzl looked at anti-semitism in Europe and concluded that Jews would never be accepted by countries or have any political power so the only way to get ahead in such a nationalistic world would be to make their own country. It was built on an anachronistic set of ideas; religion was tied to your citizenship of a country. Turkey represented European Muslims and UK/France/Germany represented Christians, and he concluded there was no way Jews could be considered equal citizens in Europe.

Originally the plan was to buy land in Africa or South America and declare a new country there. It was a purely secular plan to build an ethnostate. The World Zionist Congress had a vote and they narrowly approved to build the country in British mandate Palestine, not for religious reasons but because the connection to Jerusalem would help motivate immigration and tourism. They almost had it in Uganda or Argentina or Madagascar.

The holocaust merely accelerated the plan and gave a justification after the fact to build the country. Initially Israeli society didn’t like having holocaust survivors and they weren’t treated well, only today are they out on a pedestal and used as justification for their colonialism.

5 points ·

Good question. It’s a venn diagram of Islamophobia, anti-Arab racism, and anti-Palestinian hate.

47 points ·

Please show me where the UK Government condemned “death to the Arabs” chants from Israelis.

12 points ·

Even the Israeli left parties (and Ha’aretz is on the left) supports war on Iran even if they were less supportive of the genocide in Gaza. They still have a bias.

6 points ·

Iran would not do that, but you raise an important point about how insanely vulnerable the US is to actual biological attacks.

Could you imagine the US government trying to get Americans to get an anthrax vaccine after a weapon attack?

1 points ·

Jordan is like Switzerland? LOL. You can’t stop giving excuses. Meanwhile Israeli far right is already talking about annexing more of Jordan.

لن أقنعك. السلام عليكم.

0 points ·

Jordan is not involved

Then you proceed to explain how Jordan IS involved and justify it.

have to do something to at least to mitigate the risks that Jordan is facing to protect Jordanian cities and assets.

By downing Iranian missiles and letting the debris hit Jordan instead of letting them leave Jordanian airspace.

I seriously don't understand what people like you think should happen

Stay out of it and don’t invite the US military in (hence making yourself a target), don't let US military use your airspace, don’t protect Israel, don’t intervene. This isn’t hard. Whether you choose to accept it or not is up to you.

2 points ·

Israel claims it’s legal to assassinate scientists. So is this legal?

2 points ·

And both groups suffer. Too bad one is prosecuted more than the other; that imbalance worsens the problem.

1 points ·

Baloney. This is still Jordan taking action to help Israel in order to please Trump, because the king is trying to get Trump’s help on a variety of issues. I’m judging them based on their actions, and you’re trying to say that their intentions are good despite all else.

Your defense is that by bashing Palestinians, so that means Jordan should help Israel crush them. Then strawmanning me by saying that going to war with Israel is a bad idea. There’s a LOT of options in between.

1 points ·

You think Jordanians care more about an abstract concept of sovereignty than over their literal Palestinian brothers being genocided?

The king can use this excuse as much as he wants but we know it’s because of US pressure.

1 points ·

Last time 300 missiles overwhelmed Israel’s defenses and they needed US and Jordanian support to take out most of the attack. Both sides learned from the last skirmish.

7 points ·

Well the US started pulling personnel out of the area before the attack and Israel is saying the US helped coordinate the attack.

0 points ·

Iran was planning a massive response, but Israel sabotaged them by blowing up the military command meeting and drone striking missiles sites. Instead of 300 Missiles launched in response it was only 100.

28 points ·

Isn’t it obvious? President Xi publicly ordered the Chinese military to be ready to invade Taiwan by 2026.

16 points ·

He could declare victory and go home. Brag that he forced Ukraine into talks and that he stopped Ukraine from joining NATO and got some small land gains.

34 points ·

It’s incredible. I protested against him in 2006 for *his* war crimes, and now he’s come around to admitting they’re happening.

I don’t know what it is with Israeli PMs. Ariel Sharon, himself a convicted war criminal, agreed at the end of his term that pulling out of Gaza was the only way to save Israel and keep their West Bank settlements. Olmert succeeded him and now admits Israel does war crimes. Does that mean in 2050 Netanyahu will admit war crimes took place and that he was against them?

18 points ·

Because Trump pressured Romania to let him out and he fled the country. Now a different court has to start all over with a different case.

Edit: the article says he returned to Romania to face the charges, as a show of bravado to claim that innocent men don’t run. The UK prosecution said "the domestic criminal matters in Romania must be settled first".

29 points ·

Settlers backed by the Israeli government created the violence that led to the current war.