u/CileTheSane

Shut up or help

They are trying to help the people who are making the mistake of traveling to the US.

If you’re seeing dying much sooner as direct result of his actions as an equal outcome, I’m not sure what to tell you.

There's dying, or a 1% chance of not dying. These are in fact not equal.

>he saying whatever he thinks you want to hear to give him your vote

Which to someone starving to death is a lot better than someone saying "everything is fine, keep the status quo".

>Are you glad he got voted in?

Nope. I was spending time trying to argue with people to do the bare fucking minimum to stop this, and the Democrats did not help with their campaign of "lets change nothing because everything is fine."

>Is your life better now?

Not an American. I'll be fine. I can just understand why someone who is desperate (which according to polls is over 50% of your population) could decide to vote for someone who says they want to fucking change things, instead of the people saying everything is fine and they will change nothing.

Best case scenario with the honest man: he does nothing and I starve to death. Worst case scenario with the lying man: I starve to death anyway. May as well try changing things.

Sure, maybe I starve to death faster, but you give most people a choice between "100% chance you starve to death" and "99% chance you starve to death and 1% chance you don't" and they will take the 1% chance.

At least the lying man admits there's a fucking problem. "Everything is fine and nothing needs to change" was *not* a good strategy.

If a known liar is lying to you and you take action supporting those lies, should you be responsible when the lies are indeed shown to be lies?

If I'm starving to death, and the most trustworthy man in the world says "I will do nothing to help you" while the most dishonest man in the world (Donald Trump) says "I will shower you with more food than you have ever seen in your life" I'm going to take my chances with the dishonest man. Maybe the lie is how much but there will still be something. Better than a guaranteed nothing.

Por que no dos?

So how's their strategy working out for them?

There are two groups at fault here:

1) The protest voters refusing to take the simplest action to prevent what is now happening.

2) The people who said "we're not going to try to change or improve anything because we're running against a literal dictator so it's not like we have to actually try to improve people's lives. What are they going to do? Let Hitler win?"

So what would you have them do instead?

Yes

This is akin to randomly bellowing out the national anthem in the middle of a voting session but with more bite. I'd expect somebody doing that to be sanctioned too.

With the harshest punishment ever given within their government?

The haka happened last November. They haven't been punished until now. You'd think if it was that severe they wouldn't wait 5 months to punish them for it.

Maybe if they pull a Boeing and ~~assassinate~~ the guy bringing their stock down commits suicide...

Da comrade.

Why the fuck is the US making offers to Ukraine for peace? Shouldn't Russia be doing that?

That kind of infrastructure takes time to build. Nobody wants to invest in something that will take years to start producing if there's a 50/50 chance that tomorrow Trump rolls over and China starts selling again within a month. It's too risky with how unstable the world market is right now.

Give Trump an inch and he'll think he's a ruler

What would you have the rest of the world do? Thoughts and prayers?

The plan of those pulling Trump's strings is disruption, chaos, and damage.

Trump's plan is to wear the big boy pants and prove to everyone he's the biggest of boys.

He doesn't think the rest of the world can stand without them or he doesn't think that reciprocal tariffs will hurt America as bad as they hurt us.

That's what happens when you OD on America Exceptionalism.

Again, Trump put tariffs on **uninhabited Islands**.

Just like how a rising tide raises all boats, a sinking ship takes everyone down with it. The billionaires think being on the life rafts will make them more wealthy compared to those that are sinking.