Israeli settlers beat American to death in West Bank; US says it’s aware

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That's what happened in Russia, the Tsar responded to the old and well established act of a priest delivering a letter to the Tsar to ask for aid during hardships by ordering his Calvary soldiers to open fire on the priest and crowd. It was literally an act of submission to the Tsar. At that point, people stopped seeing the whole divine right of kings concept as holding water.

That's a good question, it makes me similarly think 'What happens to the social contract when a nation & government no longer provide security to it's own citizens?'

Good point!

This did not start with Obama. It's always been here but ramped up again because Obama got the presidency.

You think people should kill foreigners? Or specifically dark-skinned foreigners?

Their original comment absolutely did not imply they thought that it was only MAGAheads

Yes it absolutely did. Stop being deliberately obtuse.

I never said that I wasn't "willing to accept implied statements"? Their original comment absolutely did not imply they thought that it was only MAGAheads who were ok with Israel killing USAmericans, on the same level that you implied they thought that. You're like that tweet about "I like waffles" "So you hate pancakes?". They didn't say anything about Biden either way...

Oh look, you've suddenly flipped back to demanding explicit quotes, when previously you accepted implications.

Hypocrite.

Where did they say they *only* thought it was the "Magazis" who don't give a shit? You're like those amerikan liberals who think that criticising genocide joe meant you thought trump was better. You can make a negative comment about one amerikan politician without it being a positive about another. They're practically the same anyway.

So you can't point to where I said it explicitly.

Hypocrite

Please point out where I said that explicitly

The first sentence...

Can I point to where I said you said that explicitly? I can point to where I said you said it implicitly though. (emphasis mine)

You comment strongly **implied** that you thought Maple Engineer thought this was a MAGA-specific phenomenon.

You also more or less said it explicitly though, if you want to go down that route. I can't quote a specific part of your comment because your entire comment is based on this suggestion. (emphasis mine again)

You say that like MAGA are the **only** ones that don’t care about Israel killing Americans. **Were you even aware** that it happened under Biden?

Not an American, A Palestinian American. The **Magazis** don't give a shit.

Bold mine. Yes there is.

>You comment strongly implied

Oooooh, so *now* you're willing to accept implied statements!

What happened to demanding *explicit* quotes only? Which implicit is exactly the opposite of.

And yes, there is the same strong implication in their comment

Can you point to where I said he thought it was a maga specific phenomenon?

*Whataboutism* is itself a thought-terminating cliché.

Citations Needed podcast: Whataboutism - The Media's Favorite Rhetorical Shield Against Criticism of US Policy

>Since the beginning of what’s generally called ‘RussiaGate’ three years ago, pundits, media outlets, even comedians have all become insta-experts on supposed Russian propaganda techniques. The most cunning of these tricks, we are told, is that of “whataboutism” – a devious Soviet tactic of deflecting criticism by pointing out the accusers’ hypocrisy and inconsistencies. The tu quoque - or, “you, also” - fallacy, but with a unique Slavic flavor of nihilism, used by Trump and leftists alike in an effort to change the subject and focus on the faults of the United States rather than the crimes of Official State Enemies.

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>But what if "whataboutism" isn’t describing a propaganda technique, but in fact is one itself: a zombie phrase that’s seeped into everyday liberal discourse that – while perhaps useful in the abstract - has manifestly turned any appeal to moral consistency into a cunning Russian psyop. From its origins in the Cold War as a means of deflecting and apologizing for Jim Crow to its braindead contemporary usage as a way of not engaging any criticism of the United States as the supposed arbiter of human rights, the term "whataboutism" has become a term that - 100 percent of the time - is simply used to defend and legitimizing American empire’s moral narratives.

>Get better.

Do you lot insist on writing like the most annoying losers on earth deliberately?

I mean if, we're being real, it was also a whataboutism. "What about what the democrats did?"

Get better.

I am begging reddit debate lords to actually learn what 'strawman' means, rather than treating the wikipedia page on logical fallacies like a list of magic incantations.

I am also begging them to just talk plainly: "You strawmanned me", rather than this insufferable nerd sarcasm bullshit of "sorry you strawman didn't work."

You comment strongly implied that you thought Maple Engineer thought this was a MAGA-specific phenomenon. There isn't the same strong implication in Maple Engineer's comment.

Sorry your straw man didn't work.

Don't be deliberately disingenuous. And if you're insist on it, then I'll match you: point to where I said you used the word 'only' in your comment, in my comment.

Can you point to the word "only" in my comment?

This ☝️.

Nice

An American was murdered under Biden too. No consequences because Zionism is bipartisan.

You say that like MAGA are the only ones that don't care about Israel killing Americans. Were you even aware that it happened under Biden?

Don't worry. Rachel Corrie was white and they killed her with the US' knowledge too. US conservatives don't even know she existed, liberals barely either.

Not an American, A Palestinian American. The Magazis don't give a shit.

Why the fuck are my tax dollars being sent to these assholes again?

It is a trend started that started a decade ago (ironically with Obama!) but the transition is now complete; Americans with a skin color, let alone if naturalized, are not considered "actual American" therefore no longer news worthy. At least, they still give a conditional pass to those darker skins conforming with the ideology of the presidency that happens to be ruling at the time.

The racists don't give a shit. What a waste of oxygen they are.

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For once I believe on that “out of respect for the privacy of the family and loved ones”, because the BS the State Department spokesperson would have said instead would have been extremely infuriating for the mourning family.