u/MapleEngineer — Maple Engineer

The MAGAzis and MAGAzi bootlickers don't care that an American Palestinian was killed because they don't believe that he was a "real" American because he wasn't white, he wasn't Christian, and he wasn't a MAGAzi bootlicker.

Still here when you have something intelligent to say.

I know you are but what am I?

You just can't help yourself can you? One tired cliché after another.

The MAGAzis and MAGAzi bootlickers don't care that an American Palestinian was killed because they don't believe that he was a "real" American because he wasn't white, he wasn't Christian, and he wasn't a MAGAzi bootlicker.

A conversing isn't a debate. It's an exchange of ideas with the goal of expanding understanding of each other's opinions.

Do you want to have a conversion or do you want to continue to use one tired cliché device after another and have me point them out? The problem isn't that I'm calling them out. The problem is that you're using them in the first place. Stop being so weak and ineffectual and actually have a conversation.

You would participate in a good faith conversation because you have intelligent opinions on the topic of the conversion which is the fact that the MAGAzis and MAGAzi bootlickers don't care that a Palestinian American was killed because they don't believe that he is a "real" American because he isn't white, he isn't Christian, and he isn't a MAGAzi bootlicker.

You instead used weak devices as a bad faith effort to distract from the subject of the conversation and thus to derail the it. My calling out those weak devices has rendered you completely ineffective. All you've done is whinge about my calling you out and called me names and hurled insults.

It didn't work. It isn't going to work. I'm still here and I'm still willing to talk about the fact that the MAGAzis and MAGAzi bootlickers don't care that an American Palestinian was killed because they don't think that he's a "real" American because he wasn't white, he wasn't Christian, and he wasn't a MAGAzi bootlicker.

If you want to have an intelligent conversation I remain willing, or just keep hissing and spitting, whatever.

Your insults have no power here.

The MAGAzis and MAGAzi bootlickers don't give a shit that a Palestinian American was killed because they don't believe that he was a "real" American because he wasn't white, he wasn't a Christian, and he wasn't a MAGAzi bootlicker.

If you want to have a conversation I'm here but you haven't made any good faith effort to contribute to the conversation for several comments.

I still don't care about your name calling or insults. If you have anything meaningful to add to the conversation let me know.

According to the MAGAzis.

Stay in your safe space, dude. It's scary outside the echo bunker.

Ad hominem. You just can't help yourself.

Have a good faith conversation. As long as you use these super weak devices I'm going to call them out. I don't care what names you call me or what insults you hurl.

Having your bullshit called out clearly triggers you. Have you considered making informed, good faith arguments instead of trying to devalue the labels legitimately applied to your weak devices? Don't want your strawman called out? Don't use strawman arguments. Don't want your whataboutism called out? Don't use whataboutism. Don't like that I called out all your normal devices? Don't use them.

If you stop using those weak devices and actually engage in a good faith discussion I'm here. Keep using those weak devices and I will keep calling them out.

Basically a straight up admition that they’re both meaningless though terminating cliches

Another straw man. You guys are on a roll.

What is cliché is resorting to strawman arguments and whataboutism/bothsidesism when your dogmatic incantations don't win the day. They are the refuge of the weak. Attempting to devalue the ideas is a transparent effort to reduce the impact of your weakness being labelled, It's the same as white supremacists loudly calling out Godwin's Law when they are rightly labelled as Nazis or Zionists labelling legitimate criticism of the actions of the state of Israel antisematism. Mike Godwin himself said, "By all means, compare these assholes to Nazis. Again and again. I'm with you."

The modern whataboutism is the bothsidesism.

You know what the absolutely weakest whataboutism is? Both sides!

You're on a roll. Do a Gish Gallop next! I love Gish Gallops!

I mean if, we're being real, it was also a whataboutism. "What about what the democrats did?"

Get better.

Sorry your straw man didn't work.

Can you point to the word "only" in my comment?

Send Beavis and Butthead over to do it


According to MAGA? No, they're antisemitic terrorist supporters.

Not an American, A Palestinian American. The Magazis don't give a shit.

Not an American, A Palestinian American. The Magazis don't give a shit.