c/world · u/floofloof@lemmy.ca · 312 points
cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/28662179
Israel has completely wiped out Rafah, turning a fifth of Gaza's territory into a giant buffer zone. This is part of Israel's plan to permanently remain in Gaza and facilitate the ethnic cleansing of its people.
u/febra@lemmy.world · 19 points
Satellite Imagery from the end of August 2024 already shows Rafah being completely destroyed. Here you go:
https://www.bellingcat.com/news/2024/08/27/satellite-imagery-shows-vast-destruction-in-rafah/
u/solo@slrpnk.net · 8 points
This is not exactly what you asked for, but it's the closest thing I can think of. The _Forensic Architecture_ site has some accurate info for Gaza, Palestine but they date back to 2024. Still, I think it's worth keeping an eye out for any new investigation they might do.
u/HellsBelle@sh.itjust.works · 8 points
The most recent article about this is from 17 days ago.
https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/90-of-rafah-s-residential-neighborhoods-destroyed-by-israel-gaza-authorities-say/3529896
u/quetzaldilla@lemmy.world · 2 points
It's wasn't my generation that sold them.
My generation is working hard at getting them back.
I believe in a better world, with less selfishness and cruelty, and I'm working hard to make that happen.
u/floofloof@lemmy.ca · 8 points
And an entirely predictable one given the power of capital.
u/technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 0 points
Get them back? Always has been.
u/quetzaldilla@lemmy.world · 9 points
Our governments are bought and paid. We're fighting to get them back, but it's not going to be easy.
This is happening in all developed nations.
It's an international crisis.
u/Oyu_Fka@lemm.ee · 28 points
The 'democratic' world actually support this genocide, not fail to believe israel will carry it out....just so the west keep a toe hold in the Middle East. It's despicable. All our governments are totally complicit in this horrendous crime.
u/febra@lemmy.world · 17 points
The so-called "democratic world" just acts like it doesn't believe fascists. They actually quite love them and don't give a shit at all. Like seriously, do you even believe that some of the richest states on the planet with administrations filled with consultants and experts on all of these issues to the brim don't know what's happening? They do. They just don't give a shit. Because there are no morals in this so-called "democratic world".
u/technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 7 points
democratic world
lol
u/scarabic@lemmy.world · 2 points
He was believed. They didn’t care.
u/Oyu_Fka@lemm.ee · 1 points
Nonsense.
u/Samskara@sh.itjust.works · 0 points
Antisemitism is always hate against Jews. That’s what this term was introduced for originally and all it ever meant.
Israel‘s existence is legal. It’s based on international law backed by the League of Nations and the United Nations. Israel is recognized by 85% of countries worldwide, a number which only goes up.
Calling for the ethnic cleansing of half of the world’s Jews from their ancestral homeland is of course blatant antisemitism.
10% of Israelis have a second passport.
The majority of Israeli Jews have ancestry from the Middle East. They fled from the whole of the Middle East to the only place safe for them. These people can’t go „back“.
The Jews are going nowhere, because they have nowhere to go. This isn’t French Algeria.
You want people whose parents were born and raised in Israel to be replaced by people whose parents were born and raised outside Palestine.
Your statement proves exactly why Israel needs to exist and why there’s no partner for peace.
Your attitude has only lead to decades of violence and suffering for Palestinians. It ensures nothing will get better for them. Clinging to the delusion of Israel just vanishing some day is what has kept this conflict fueled to this day.
For you any number of dead Palestinians are acceptable as long as Israel is somewhat inconvenienced. The more Palestinians die, the more your hate is justified. That’s why you advocate for the course of action that will lead to their deaths.
There’s nothing pro Palestinian in your message, only hate against Israel. Sadly that’s what a large part of the so-called pro Palestine movement has come to today. Improving their living conditions and building a future for them in peace, coexistence, and prosperity is of no interest to you. It’s snd ideology of hate and death.
u/Samskara@sh.itjust.works · 1 points
That choice of word was no accident. It’s Holocaust (Shoa) relativism at the very least, bordering on denial. It’s antisemitic plain and simple. No other reason to use this word here.
u/Oyu_Fka@lemm.ee · 1 points
*The solution is not the obliteration of the other, but to divide or share the land. *
Umm....I believe dividing the land that's already been attempted, by walling in the Gazans, inspired no doubt by the Warsaw ghetto...and look at the result.
Share the land? Do you honestly believe israelis would be prepared to do that....all with equal rights?
There is no way you, or any other nazionist, could possibly convince me that these are options....🤔 except by lying, perhaps - it *is* standard hasbara practice after all.
The truth is that israel are intent on wiping all Palestinians off the face of the earth.
Israel us the fucking problem here.
Get back under your stone, zio.
u/Samskara@sh.itjust.works · 1 points
Zionism is simply nationalism of the Jewish people, self determination in their homeland.
Palestinian nationalism is also nationalism for self determination in their homeland.
The solution is not the obliteration of the other, but to divide or share the land.
u/technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 points
The problem is zionism, not netanyahoo or H4mAs!!!.
The zionists will never replace their genocidal ideology. It's their identity. No zionism, no "israel".
u/Keeponstalin@lemmy.world · 2 points
Israel is the one preventing the hostages from returning, and a permanent ceasefire to take place.
::: spoiler De-development via the Gaza Occupation
Between July 1971 and February 1972, Sharon enjoyed considerable success. During this time, the entire Strip (apart from the Rafah area) was sealed off by a ring of security fences 53 miles in length, with few entrypoints. Today, their effects live on: there are only three points of entry to Gaza—Erez, Nahal Oz, and Rafah.
Perhaps the most dramatic and painful aspect of Sharon’s campaign was the widening of roads in the refugee camps to facilitate military access. Israel built nearly 200 miles of security roads and destroyed thousands of refugee dwellings as part of the widening process.' In August 1971, for example, the Israeli army destroyed 7,729 rooms (approximately 2,000 houses) in three vola- tile camps, displacing 15,855 refugees: 7,217 from Jabalya, 4,836 from Shati, and 3,802 from Rafah.
Through 1993 Israel imposed a one-way system of tariffs and duties on the importation of goods through its borders; leaving Israel for Gaza, however, no tariffs or other regulations applied. Thus, for Israeli exports to Gaza, the Strip was treated as part of Israel; but for Gazan exports to Israel, the Strip was treated as a foreign entity subject to various “non-tariff barriers.” This placed Israel at a distinct advantage for trading and limited Gaza’s access to Israeli and foreign markets. Gazans had no recourse against such policies, being totally unable to protect themselves with tariffs or exchange rate controls. Thus, they had to pay more for highly protected Israeli products than they would if they had some control over their own economy. Such policies deprived the occupied territories of significant customs revenue, estimated at $118-$176 million in 1986.
>In a report released in May 2015, the World Bank revealed that as a result of Israel’s blockade and OPE, Gaza’s manufacturing sector shrank by as much as 60% over eight years while real per capita income is 31 percent lower than it was 20 years ago. The report also stated that the blockade alone is responsible for a 50% decrease in Gaza’s GDP since 2007. Furthermore, OPE (combined with the tunnel closure) exacerbated an already grave situation by reducing Gaza’s economy by an additional $460 million.
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::: spoiler Blockade, including Aid
Hamas began twenty years into the occupation during the first Intifada, with the goal of ending the occupation. Collective punishment has been a deliberate Israeli tactic for decades with the Dahiya doctrine. Violence such as suicide bombings and rockets escalated in response to Israeli enforcement of the occupation and apartheid.
After the 'disengagement' in 2007, this turned into a full blockade; where Israel has had control over the airspace, borders, and sea. Under the guise of 'dual-use' Israel has restricted food, allocating a minimum supply leading to over half of Gaza being food insecure; construction materials, medical supplies, and other basic necessities have also been restricted.
>The blockade and Israel’s repeated military offensives have had a heavy toll on Gaza’s essential infrastructure and further debilitated its health system and economy, leaving the area in a state of perpetual humanitarian crisis. Indeed, Israel’s collective punishment of Gaza’s civilian population, the majority of whom are children, has created conditions inimical to human life due to shortages of housing, potable water and electricity, and lack of access to essential medicines and medical care, food, educational equipment and building materials.
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::: spoiler Peace Process and Solution
Hamas proposed a full prisoner swap as early as Oct 8th, and agreed to the US proposed UN Permanent Ceasefire Resolution. Additionally, Hamas has already agreed to no longer govern the Gaza Strip, as long as Palestinians receive liberation and a unified government can take place.
Both Hamas and Fatah have agreed to a Two-State solution based on the 1967 borders for decades. Oslo and Camp David were used by Israel to continue settlements in the West Bank and maintain an Apartheid, while preventing any actual Two-State solution
How Avi Shlaim moved from two-state solution to one-state solution
‘One state is a game changer’: A conversation with Ilan Pappe
One State Solution, Foreign Affairs
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::: spoiler Human Shields
Hamas:
Intentionally utilizing the presence of civilians or other protected persons to render certain areas immune from military attack is prohibited under international law. Amnesty International was not able to establish whether or not the fighters’ presence in the camps was intended to shield themselves from military attacks. However, under international humanitarian law, even if one party uses “human shields”, or is otherwise unlawfully endangering civilians, this does not absolve the opposing party from complying with its obligations to distinguish between military objectives and civilians or civilian objects, to refrain from carrying out indiscriminate or disproportionate attacks, and to take all feasible precautions to spare civilians and civilian objects.
Israel:
Additionally, there is extensive independent verification of Israel using Palestinians as Human Shields:
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::: spoiler Deliberate Attacks on Civilians
Israel deliberately targets civilian areas. From in general with the Dahiya Doctrine to multiple systems deployed in Gaza to do so:
Israel also targets Israeli Soldiers and Civilians to prevent them being leveraged as hostages, known as the Hannibal Directive. Which was also used on Oct 7th.
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Adi Callai has written on the parallels in his article The Gaza Ghetto Uprising and expanded upon in his corresponding video
u/Samskara@sh.itjust.works · -1 points
Trump is the one with the biggest influence, but he won’t do anything. Resistance against Trump in the is weak.
Israelis might be able to replace Netanyahu. The protests in the streets and the rifts in government, see head of Shin Bet, are getting stronger. So supporting those Israelis opposed to him is sensible.
Supporting Palestinians opposed to Hamas makes sense as well. If Hamas let the hostages go and lay down their arms, the war would end. That’s what PA President Abbas demands for example. There are protests in Gaza as well.
Cheering on the armed resistance only gets more Palestinians killed.
u/harmsy@lemmy.world · 21 points
Instead of arguing and hair-splitting over exactly how evil this is, how about we just agree on the simple answer of "Yep, that's some evil shit" and focus the discussion more on what to do about it?
u/SwingingTheLamp@midwest.social · 13 points
Yeah, nobody's buying this bullshit.
u/technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 7 points
about the destruction of houses, not people.
Even if this moronic comment were accurate (no).... Domicide is a crucial aspect of genocide.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/7/3/genocide-urbicide-domicide-how-to-talk-about-israels-war-on-gaza
u/Nythos@sh.itjust.works · 3 points
Holocaust ≠ THE Holocaust
u/Oyu_Fka@lemm.ee · 1 points
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u/Samskara@sh.itjust.works · -17 points
This is nothing close to the Holocaust.
Many Gazans died, more than 50 thousand, but millions are still alive. The number of dead has only been slowly increasing for many months now. Killing as many people as possible is not the goal or there would have been half a million dead already more than a year ago.
Even the article you write this comment under is about the destruction of houses, not people. According to the article the destruction of houses has a clear goal, enabling tighter control and permanent occupation of the area. Clearing corridors and building infrastructure for control would not be necessary, if they didn’t expect a (hostile) population in the area for years to come.
u/technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 points
British imperialism literally created the zio regime so it's always been like that. We're talking about 100+ years of propaganda, indoctrination, disinfo, etc.
u/Firipu@startrek.website · 22 points
It's not a genocide anymore. We should start calling it what it is, a holocaust. The entire systematic destruction/eradication of a people, not just the murder of them, but the entire structural destruction of one.
u/Oyu_Fka@lemm.ee · 22 points
Absolutely! I live in the UK, and I'm ashamed tbh. The UK government is awash with israeli hasbara cash - here's their reward for ridding the labour party of anti zionists with the accusation of anti semitism:
https://www.declassifieduk.org/israel-lobby-funded-half-of-keir-starmers-cabinet/
That money is to facilitate israel's lobbying of individual ministers and garner support for the zionist killers.....to 'explain', which is the closest english translation to 'hasbara'.
u/technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 6 points
Newsflash: Being anti-genocide isn't actually the same as being pro-genocide. They're not equally bad. Many people believe it's good to opposed genocide.
Seriously what kind of creep tries to "both sides" a genocide?
>No one else is reporting that.
The delusional/dishonest bubble is a comfy bubble.
u/shaserlark@sh.itjust.works · 5 points
Let’s admit it, mondoweiss is hamas, let’s throw a bomb on them and be done with those terrorists!
For real tho, Israel has been throwing 2,000 pound bombs on Gaza for more than 1.5 years, why _wouldn’t_ Rafah be rubble? What else should it be?
Some people I’ll never understand…
u/ptz@dubvee.org · -6 points
Who knows? No one else is reporting that. I also don't give established low-cred, highly sensationalized, highly-biased sources the time of day. Mondoweiss is Fox News's counterpart on the other end of the spectrum -- i.e. it's Fox News for lefties. Just as bad, just different flavor.
u/floofloof@lemmy.ca · 17 points
Is what it says untrue? How about the linked Haaretz article?
u/technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 points
Yes, it's a great source for news. What do you recommend instead?
u/sznowicki@lemmy.world · 60 points
That’s exactly what they announced the day they started the invasion. Bibi said they will put an Israeli flag on top of Gaza rubbles.
I’m always amazed how all the democratic world never believes autocrats when they say what they just about to do.
u/Mrkawfee@lemmy.world · 32 points
Disgusting. The whole world watches this genocide being carried out in full view by the depraved, shameless, Zionists.
The West has no morality. Gaza is a damning indictment of its rotten hypocritical core.
u/febra@lemmy.world · 31 points
Thousands of years of history erased by zionism
u/JoMiran@lemmy.ml · 24 points
Ethnic cleansing.
u/MushuChupacabra@lemmy.world · 19 points
It's the Lebensraum part of their Crimes Against Humanity package.
u/rosco385@lemm.ee · 18 points
Rafah survived Genghis Khan, but Benjamin Netanyahu destroyed it.
u/jsomae@lemmy.ml · 17 points
I'd like to see more sources about the complete destruction of Rafah. I haven't seen e.g. Al Jazeera report on it. Or satellite imagery. Does anyone have links?
u/technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 7 points
Yeah, like how zios have occupied and ethnically cleansed almost all of palestine...
u/ptz@dubvee.org · -6 points
Mosdoweiss? Really?