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10 points ·

It's an L for Iran in respect to killed military commanders and civilian toll, but an ever greater L to Israel because they not only failed the goal of regime change (if anything, made it more difficult by bombing Iranian civilians) but also experienced a breakdown in their defense capabilities and got bombarded for 12 days, breaking the facade that Israel is unable to experience repercussions for their violent aggressions

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19 points ·

I hope to see more of these kinds of attempts to break the genocidal blockade

1 points ·

Rape is systematic for adults held captive.

_In addition to that_ the majority of children help captive experience sexual assault.

You didn't even read the paragraphs quoted, let alone the sources themselves.

6 points ·

So stop trading and sanction Israel, macron

-1 points ·

Did you really just make that claim without going though the actual reporting? That's absolutely disgusting. Even the majority of children detained and held in these torture prisons experience sexual assault.

They spoke with B’Tselem after they were released

from detention, the overwhelming majority of them without being tried. Their testimonies uncover a systemic, institutional policy focused on the continual

abuse and torture of all Palestinian prisoners. This includes frequent acts of severe, arbitrary violence; sexual assault; humiliation and degradation; deliberate

starvation; forced unhygienic conditions; sleep deprivation; prohibition on, and punitive measures for, religious worship; confiscation of all communal

and personal belongings; and denial of adequate medical treatment.

Various testimonies revealed repeated use of sexual violence, in varying degrees of severity, by soldiers or prison guards against Palestinian detainees as an additional punitive measure. The witnesses described blows to the genitals and other body parts of naked prisoners; the use of metal tools and batons to cause genital pain;the photographing of naked prisoners; penises being grabbed; and strip-searches

for the sake of humiliation and degradation. The testimonies also reveal cases of gang sexual violence and assault committed by a group of prison guards or

soldiers. One particularly grave testimony, quoted at length below, reports the attempted anal rape of a Palestinian detainee by several prison guards. Similar

incidents were mentioned in other testimonies.

  • BT'Selem Welcome to Hell

In addition to being crimes against humanity and full-fledged war crimes, the crimes committed by the Israeli occupation army and other Israeli security forces against Palestinian prisoners and detainees from the Gaza Strip also amount to acts of genocide against the Palestinian people in the Strip, because they are carried out in a systematic and brutal manner. These acts include the killing of Palestinians and the infliction of severe physical and psychological harm, including torture, other forms of ill-treatment, and sexual violence, including rape, and are carried out with the goal of eradicating the Palestinian people as a whole.

  • Euro-Med Monitor

The video of the alleged gang rape at Sde Teiman is the latest piece in a growing body of evidence of abuse, sexual assault and the systematic withholding of food and medical care that Palestinians endure within the Israeli prison system

“The conditions at Sde Teiman aren’t unique. They’re just the tip of the iceberg,” the organisation’s spokesperson, Shai Parnes, told Al Jazeera by phone from Jerusalem

"We heard similar accounts of sexual abuse, starvation and assault from separate prisoners held in 16 different locations across Israel. It was depressing. As we gathered the testimonies, we realised that every witness account was almost identical, no matter what their age, gender or location was. There’s no doubt. This kind of abuse is systematic,” he said

  • Al Jazeera

On June 27, the Euro-Mediterranean Human Rights Monitor said that the Israeli army’s use of police dogs to attack Palestinian civilians during its military operations in the Gaza Strip, in addition to their use to terrorize, maul and rape prisoners and detainees in Israeli detention centers, is “a systematic and widely practiced behavior"

  • IsraelPalestineNews

Save the Children’s new consultation showed that:

During arrest, 42% of children were injured, including gunshot wounds and broken bones, and 65% of children were arrested during the night, mostly between midnight and dawn. Half of all arrests took place in the children’s home.

The majority of children experienced appalling levels of physical and emotional abuse, including being beaten (86%), being threatened with harm (70%), and hit with sticks or guns (60%).

Some children reported violence and abuse of a sexual nature, including being hit or touched on the genitals and 69% reported being strip searched.

60% of children experienced solitary confinement with the length of time varying from one 1 day to as long as 48 days.

Children were denied access to basic services, 70% said they suffered from hunger and 68% said they didn’t receive any healthcare.

  • Save The Children https://www.savethechildren.org.uk/news/media-centre/press-releases/2023/stripped-beaten-and-blindfolded-new-research-reveals-ongoing-violence-and-abuse-of-palestinian-children-detained-by-israeli-military

3 points ·

With this 'deal' Israel would no doubt continue it's genocidal campaign after 7 days once the hostages are out. And once they are, they would certainly ramp it up even more than the current death and starvation campaign is

3 points ·

Drop Site News and Zeteo do some of the best reporting these days

2 points ·

Yes

Palestinians denied civil rights (HRW) including Military Court (B'TSelem)

Palestinian Prisoners in Israel (wiki)

Children are jailed and abused in Israeli prisons (Save The Children)

Stripped, beaten and blindfolded: new research reveals ongoing violence and abuse of Palestinian children detained by Israeli military - (Save The Children)

Torture and Abuse in Interrogations (B'TSelem)

Thousands of Palestinians are held without charge under Israeli detention policy (NPR)

Urgently investigate inhumane treatment and enforced disappearance of Palestinians detainees from Gaza (Amnesty)

Shocking testimony: Torture in Israeli prisons, “sexual assaults even using dogs"

Why raping Palestinians is legitimate Israeli military practice

'Everything is legitimate’: Israeli leaders defend soldiers accused of rape

Extent of systematic torture, atrocities endured by Palestinians in Israeli prisons is shocking

Israel/OPT: Horrifying cases of torture and degrading treatment of Palestinian detainees amid spike in arbitrary arrests (Amnesty)

UN Report Details Vast, Systemic Torture of Palestinians in Israeli Detention

“Welcome to Hell” is a report on the abuse and inhuman treatment of Palestinians held in Israeli custody since 7 October 2023. B’Tselem collected testimonies from 55 Palestinians held during that time and released, almost all with no charges. Their testimonies reveal the outcomes of the rushed transformation of more than a dozen Israeli prison facilities, military and civilian, into a network of camps dedicated to the abuse of inmates as a matter of policy. Facilities in which every inmate is deliberately subjected to harsh, relentless pain and suffering operate as de-facto torture camps.

B'TSelem Welcome to Hell

-2 points ·

Israel also applies systemic rape and torture to the 'prisoners,' many are arrested arbitrarily via administrative detention. This includes hundreds of children as well

Israel has also repeatedly stated that returning the hostages are secondary to 'eliminating Hamas' aka the full ethnic cleansing of Gaza. On the other hand, Hamas has proposed a full prisoner exchange and peace resolution since Oct 8th, along with agreeing to the UN proposal that passed

11 points ·

Oh, so genocide is 'self defense.' No, fuck off with that Zionist bullshit

::: spoiler Ethnic Cleansing is fundamental to Zionism

>Zionism’s aims in Palestine, its deeply-held conviction

that the Land of Israel belonged exclusively to the Jewish people as a whole, and the idea of Palestine’s “civilizational barrenness" or “emptiness” against the background of European imperialist ideologies all converged in the logical conclusion that the native population should make way for thenewcomers.

The idea that the Palestinian Arabs must find a place for themselves elsewhere was articulated early on. Indeed, the founder of the movement, *Theodor Herzl, provided an early reference to transfer even before he formally outlined his theory of Zionist rebirth* in his Judenstat.

An 1895 entry in his diary provides in embryonic form many of the elements that were to be demonstrated repeatedly in the Zionist *quest for solutions to the “Arab problem ”-the idea of dealing with state governments over the heads of the indigenous population, Jewish acquisition of property that would be inalienable, “Hebrew Land" and “Hebrew Labor,” and the removal of the native population.*

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::: spoiler Settlements and Occupation

Israel justifies the settlements and military bases in the West Bank in the name of Security. However, the reality of the settlements on-the-ground has been the cause of violent resistance and a significant obstacle to peace, as it has been for decades.

This type of settlement, where the native population gets 'Transferred' to make room for the settlers, is a long standing practice.

The mass ethnic cleansing campaign of 1948:

Further, declassified Israeli documents show that the Occupation of the West Bank and Gaza Strip were deliberately planned before being executed in 1967:

While the peace process was exploited to continue de-facto annexation of the West Bank via Settlements

The settlements are maintained through a violent apartheid that routinely employs violence towards Palestinians and denies human rights like water access, civil rights, etc. This kind of control gives rise to violent resistance to the Apartheid occupation, jeopardizing the safety of Israeli civilians.

The apartheid regime is based on organized, systemic violence against Palestinians, which is carried out by numerous agents: the government, the military, the Civil Administration, the Supreme Court, the Israel Police, the Israel Security Agency, the Israel Prison Service, the Israel Nature and Parks Authority, and others. Settlers are another item on this list, and the state incorporates their violence into its own official acts of violence. Settler violence sometimes precedes instances of official violence by Israeli authorities, and at other times is incorporated into them. Like state violence, settler violence is organized, institutionalized, well-equipped and implemented in order to achieve a defined strategic goal.

  • https://m.btselem.org/settler_violence

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::: spoiler Apartheid Evidence

Amnesty Report

Human Rights Watch Report

B'TSelem Report with quick Explainer

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::: spoiler Visualizing the Ethnic Cleansing

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::: spoiler Peace Process and Solution

Both Hamas and Fatah have agreed to a Two-State solution based on the 1967 borders for decades. Oslo and Camp David were used by Israel to continue settlements in the West Bank and maintain an Apartheid, while preventing any actual Two-State solution

How Avi Shlaim moved from two-state solution to one-state solution

‘One state is a game changer’: A conversation with Ilan Pappe

One State Solution, Foreign Affairs

Hamas proposed a full prisoner swap as early as Oct 8th, and agreed to the US proposed UN Permanent Ceasefire Resolution. Additionally, Hamas has already agreed to no longer govern the Gaza Strip, as long as Palestinians receive liberation and a unified government can take place.

  • https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2024-07-23/rivals-hamas-and-fatah-sign-a-declaration-to-form-a-future-government-as-war-rages-in-gaza

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::: spoiler Historian Works on the History

  • The Hundred Years' War on Palestine - Rashid Khalidi
  • The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine - Ilan Pappe
  • The 1967 Arab-Israeli War: Origins and Consequences - Avi Shlaim
  • The Biggest Prison on Earth: A History of the Occupied Territories - Ilan Pappe
  • The Gaza Strip: The Political Economy of De-development - Sara Roy

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2 points ·

They are a legitimate resistance regardless of whether they meet your own imagined standard of what legitimate resistance is. Hamas is not being 'used' by Israel, for the same reasons the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising wasn't 'used' by Nazi Germany. Read Franz Fanon if you want to understand the reality of anti-colonial resistance. All you're doing is carrying water for Zionism, whether you recognize that or not.

2 points ·

You have no idea what you're talking about. Listen to the podcast if you want to understand why blockback happens

4 points ·

Frankly both Hamas and the Isreali government are complicit in the genocide

Oh so you are assigning blame for this genocide to Hamas. Insane. You're saying Hamas' actions justify or are responsible for Israel's response of literal genocide. No, nothing justifies genocide. You can't expect a civilian population subjected to the unfathomable daily violence of settler colonialist apartheid to not fight back. Fuck off with that shitty hasbara. This is as ridiculous as both-sides-ing the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising.

You are led to believe that if one side is evil the other must by default be good

If an ethnosupremacist Apartheid state that has continued to live-stream genocide for well over a year is evil, yeah, resistance against that apartheid and genocide is good. In fact, it's just and moral.

You already have the position that Israel's response is expected due to the actions of Hamas. If an apartheid state's inevitable response to resistance against that apartheid is genocide, then yes, that state deserves to be dissolved and the occupied, and especially victims of a genocide, have a right to resist and armed struggle.

In this case I only see a master and a puppet

No, again that is the Palestinian Authority (PA), which is a case of Counter Insurgency (COIN).

The october 7 attacks were exactly what and when Netanyahu wanted.

Because he a fucking genocidal Zionist who knows western counties, in particular the US, will give them unlimited material support, international support, and propaganda support for Israel's genocide. Became Zionism is not about the security of Jewish people or even of Israeli's. It's about the extermination of Palestinians, Palestine, and even beyond with Greater Israel.

Hamas was groomed by Israel to shape as many Palestinians as possible into the kind of people that other nations fear and contributed with their own senseless violence to radicalize the survivors against them.

Wtf? This take is fucking ridiculous. Islamphobia in the west is not the fault of Palestinians, nor Arabs or Muslims in general. Islamphobia is deliberate to justify the unfathomable amount of violence they have subjected the population of the Middle East to. It is state policy and used to dehumanize the victims of Western Chauvinism.

What makes Palestinians the 'kind of people that other nations fear,' exactly? Because by any metric of violence Israel has been far worse both before and after any violent act of resistance by Palestinians. Nor have Palestinians been the one preventing a peace resolution.

'their own senseless violence to radicalize the survivors against them.' You mean the survivors of terrorist attacks against Israel? The party responsible for this violent occupation in the first place? Without which these terrorist attacks wouldn't have happened in the first place? The sense is resistance. Unlike for Zionism, who's many magnitudes more terrorism they subject the Palestinian population to, the sense is to ethnically cleanse the inferior natives.

Israel managed to paralyze the international community into inaction with telling them they are antisemites if they condemn their crimes

No. Western nations have supported Zionism, a fascist project, since it's beginning. Zionism weaponizes antisemitism. These countries weren't 'paralyzed.' They've supported the setter colonialism for many decades. They even continue to support the genocide by continuing the provide weapons, do business with, and refuse to sanction a state committing genocide, on top of the violent settlements and ethnic cleansing done for over 76 years. There are much more Christian Zionists than Jewish Zionists. They are not 'paralyzed by the a (false) accusation of antisemitism.' Their interests are ideological and financial.

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18 points ·

The existence of Hamas, and any armed resistance movement, is directly due to the decades of violence experienced daily under the permanent occupation, the Apartheid State, of Israel. It's impossible to understand their existence if you don't understand the lived experience and material conditions they are forced to live under. There is no such thing as a perfect victim when it comes to anti-Colonialist resistance, not for the Vietcong, the IRA, or the ANC either. Can you condemn the violence of the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising in the same way as the violence of the Warsaw Ghetto?

In the Shadow of the Holocaust by Masha Gessen, the situation in Gaza is compared to the Warsaw Ghettos. The comparison was also made by a Palestinian poet who was later killed by an Israeli airstrike. Adi Callai has also written on the parallels in his article The Gaza Ghetto Uprising and expanded upon in his corresponding video

Adi Callai has also done a great analysis of how Antisemitism has been weaponized by Zionism during its history, as well as an analysis of Franz Fanon and Identity Politics in the context of Colonialism and Anti-colonialism.

6 points ·

"The atrocities committed against the Palestinian people continue to reflect indifference and double standards," Mohamad said.

"ASEAN cannot remain silent," said Mohamad, whose country holds the rotating chairmanship of the bloc.

Foreign ministers from the 10-member association in February asserted their "longstanding support" for Palestinian rights.

Muslim-majority Malaysia has no diplomatic relations with Israel and many in the Southeast Asian country support the Palestinians.

8 points ·

What Fanon implored us to do was to view the struggle of the oppressed as a struggle to create a new mode of being, a new form of humanity. Within the revolutionary struggles of the masses, he insisted, lie the seeds of a new humanity. The ongoing resistance in Palestine today is not a new phenomenon, but is rather the latest episode in a decades’ long struggle for freedom and what Hegel and Fanon both agree on, recognition. Not recognition to live within shrivelled little cantons and drip-fed subsistence, but recognition as a human being in the holistic sense of the term. The stone throwing, the stabbings and the bombings are a reaction to a colonial regime which denies this recognition.

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20151019-palestine-through-the-lens-of-frantz-fanon/

I'm well aware that Israel has propped up Hamas for their own ends. It was both to divide the leadership between the West Bank and Gaza and justify it's violence against a civilian population in the eyes of Western Nations as 'fighting terrorism,' which works due to the decades of Islamphobia and hasbara in Western Nations. That does not change the dynamic, whoever funds hamas does not change what their decisions or aims are. It's not sabotage, it's blowback.

Hamas is not controlled under Israel, unlike the PA. Who's police force works at the behest of Israel as an arm of the occupation, cracking down on resistance against any violent settler colonialism taking place.

Hamas on the other hand, is a legitimate resistance group against a colonial occupying force that has been committing genocide for over a year, and a brutal blockade and occupation for generations. The goals of Hamas is to end the occupation, now genocide, and for liberation against Zionism. I certainly don't agree with all the violent actions Hamas has taken, but I also don't live in Gaza. The median age is 18, compared to 30 is Israel or 40 in European countries, all with experience living under Israeli violence.

Hamas is one of the many Palestinian resistance organizations that has existed under Zionist colonialism, and currently the most prominent. I support Palestinian resistance unconditionally, regardless of what form that takes.

I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a "more convenient season." Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.

  • Martin Luther King Jr. 1963

23 points ·

Wtf? Stop comparing the violence of Colonialism to the anti-colonial violence that exists only as a resistance to that occupation and Colonialism.

The violence of the anti-colonialism is done as a last resort to resist the unimaginable amount of violence the occupiers do on a daily fucking basis.

How fucking gross to compare Hamas, which only exists because of the Israeli Apartheid, with the fucking Nazis. While Israel is litterally doing a fucking genocide in Gaza as we speak, and has been for over 18 fucking months. Not to mention the blockade and 'mowing the lawn' which are some of the most brutal aspects of the apartheid that's been happening in the occupied territories since 1967.

JFC, what your doing is akin to both-sidesing the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising. Have a shred of humanity. Anti-colonialist doesn't come out of fucking nowhere and is completely fucking different than the fascism of Colonialism.