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Pope Ghosts JD Vance at Vatican, Sends Top Cardinal to Lecture VP on Compassion

c/world · u/Thorgrem@lemmy.world · 1405 points

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u/rumba@lemmy.zip · 4 points

Ghosts... I'm going to hell, but i approve of the terminology

u/Rozz@lemmy.sdf.org · 4 points

Hey, pdfs are a very versatile file that is not only forms. They serve a purpose

u/chaogomu@lemmy.world · 22 points

The "refuses to elaborate" is simple, Mathew 25 31-46.

It quite clearly says that you are to welcome the immigrant, feed the poor, care for the sick, and visit the prisoners.

Failure to do any of that is a straight shot to hell, no matter how much you claim to love god, you actually have to do the work, or it's off to hell.

Fun fact, Mathew 25 is the only place in the bible that references sending ordinary people to hell. All that fire and brimstone, it's actually in that one passage. Nowhere else does hell show up for normal people, just fallen angles and shit.

u/7toed@midwest.social · 13 points

Well this comment was the last thing I read before seeing he died about 7 hours ago, guess you were right

u/gamer@lemm.ee · 11 points

Pope's Ghost haunts JD Vance for not saying thank you

u/bitjunkie@lemmy.world · 6 points

You think that dipshit would manage to not somehow get it on himself before the Pope was even in the room?

u/MDCCCLV@lemmy.ca · 2 points

It's often their role to sort of placate those in charge and just ride it out.

u/pacology@lemmy.world · 22 points

Just look up this pope’s history during the Argentinian coup. This isn’t his first rodeo.

u/RussianBot@infosec.pub · 5 points

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/crkdmdg78jgo

I think he called both of them terrible.

u/Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world · 6 points

That kind of power is not in the regular pope's hands.

And sadly I was unaware he was visiting.

u/finder585@lemmy.world · -1 points

Antisemitic folks like to make heavy usage of euphemisms to mask antisemitic topics behind socially acceptable language. 4Chan uses 'anti-globalism' as the euphemism for Jews.

Similar to how the ML instance uses 'anti-imperialist' talking points to push pro-Russian imperialism and anti-Ukraine talking points.

u/Amir@lemmy.ml · 2 points

You want a source that it's zionist, and then compare it to "(((them)))" stuff from 4chan which is not antizionist but antisemitic. That is an extremely important difference, and if you refuse to acknowledge that difference you're conflating anti-imperialism with Nazism which is crazy.

u/finder585@lemmy.world · -7 points

Post a source.

So far everyone I've seen making this accusation are one word replacement away from looking like an unhinged 4Chan rant about (((Them))).

u/JigglySackles@lemmy.world · 12 points

Wasn't this "fact checker" site found to greatly favor zionist propaganda and in fact be horrendously biased itself?

u/Elroy_Berdahl@lemmy.world · 43 points

Not bullshit, he was refused an audience the day before, which is what this article is referring to

u/vxx@lemmy.world · 12 points

Yeah, I came here after seing them doing a photo OP and exchanging presents.

u/finder585@lemmy.world · 5 points

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u/VinesNFluff@pawb.social · 0 points

Yeah there is plenty to hate about Catholics too (hey, pedophilia) --

-- But when it comes to like. *Accepting reality and modernity*? They are head, shoulders, and pectorals above the average Evangelical Church.

u/HawlSera@lemm.ee · 3 points

You'd be surprised

The Catholic Church actually accepts the reality of evolution and has its own telescope called Lucifer.

They also recently updated their stance on "gender ideology" to no longer be critical of transpeople, citing genuine medical need for transition.

u/Klear@lemmy.world · 1 points

You can go back to the regular negative then - they did meet, this article is bullshit.

u/RedditRefugee69@lemmynsfw.com · -1 points

You're confused if you concluded without evidence that he gives a shit if the left pretends he fucks couches while he's shuffling minorities off to concentration camps.

u/webadict@lemmy.world · 2 points

I rather think that would answer the question for most people. Were you confused on how he doesn't want to look like a weirdo so that his fascist beliefs are normalized?

u/webadict@lemmy.world · 6 points

He doesn't want to look weird. That's all. He wants people to think he's normal, and by proxy, that all of his insane fascist beliefs are normal.

u/absentbird@lemm.ee · 4 points

The attack point has to be something that both sides of the political spectrum finds repulsive. If only right wingers have a problem it makes the lefties look like hypocrites, and if it's something only people on the left care about it's ineffective.

Eyeliner and weak chins/beards aren't things people on the left tend to take issue with, while white nationalism and misogyny aren't things people on the right take issue with.

The military thing could work, but it's not punchy enough, it's too specific and not very funny. The couch fucker jokes are easy laughs.

u/RedditRefugee69@lemmynsfw.com · 3 points

There's plenty factual stuff to use that far right people hate though:

  • Being in the military with zero people skills means he was an ineffectual leader and a desk driving paper pusher
  • He wears eyeliner
  • He grew a beard to hide his weak chin
  • He's a white nationalist with a minority wife who looks like she's at gunpoint every time she's on camera

Again, inventing a lie to attack him with will just galvanize his supporters. Use what's already true and very conflicting with far right ideology.

u/webadict@lemmy.world · 27 points

Because the only things that actual bother him are being called a fucking loser and weirdo. The actually shitty things he does, he would do a million times and feel nothing.

And what you say can't be true, or the millions of lies he told would matter more.

u/ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one · 16 points

To a fascist, image is everything. Ruin their image for the sad, fucking weirdos that they are makes fascists weak.

u/absentbird@lemm.ee · 11 points

I think part of it is about making him into a joke to prevent him from gaining the cult following necessary to be another trump. I don't think trump supporters would care about the valid criticisms, but the idea he has sex with couches is provocative and humorous, and seems to have become one of the only things a lot of people know about him.

u/uienia@lemmy.world · 4 points

Your standards for MAGA cultists is way too high. They won't ever know the difference between fact and lie, and they won't care if they eventually learnt about it. Words and facts means nothing to them, it is all about "winning".

u/RedditRefugee69@lemmynsfw.com · 16 points

I'll never understand why people shit on him for fictional things when there's plenty of real things to shit on him for.

I honestly think it helps him/MAGA, because it teaches them, their supporters, and impressionable others that people make stuff up about him to criticize, so they can safely ignore criticism of him.

u/AJ1@lemmy.ca · -5 points

Oh no, Vance got Vance’d… Lucky it wasn’t televise'd

Fix'd it for you

oh no, now I'm gonna get downvote'd

u/AFKBRBChocolate@lemmy.world · 2 points

Oh, for sure. It's not an area that I'm an expert in, but your conversation got me curious because I had heard both things, so I read a few articles. One of the interesting things is that the bit about Hitler's envoy wasn't broadly known until 2020 when the Vatican released a whole mess of documents that had been kept hidden previously. So there's maybe more reason for some people to have one impression based on what they grew up hearing, and others to have a different one based on more recent info, but even with the new info it seems nuanced.

It's easy to fault anyone who didn't take a clear stand against Hitler from this vantage point, but it must have been hard to be a world leader facing the possibility that Hitler would be successful and you'd have to deal with his empire. Pius XII supported the allies and it's obvious he was against Hitler, but he was reluctant to be overtly vocal about it, and he even entertained the envoy, which maybe he saw as hedging his bets (we can't know exactly what he was thinking). It's for sure stained his legacy.

u/sensiblepuffin@lemmy.funami.tech · 8 points

That's really interesting, thanks! I have no problem with being told I'm wrong, I do have a problem with someone just saying "lol you're wrong" with no evidence.

u/AFKBRBChocolate@lemmy.world · 21 points

It's less black and white than either of you guys are implying. You're taking about Pope Pius XII, who was Pope from 1939 to 1958. He's credited with saving hundreds of thousands of Jews through various means, including support to the resistance, but also by showing some had been converted/baptized, which in itself was controversial. But he also feared the Nazis were going to win the war and that the church would have to exist in a Nazi world. He never clearly spoke out against the holocaust, and though a lot of the things he said, including his sermons, can be taken as condemnation of Jewish persecution, the language was pretty subtle. Also, Hitler had an envoy secretly meeting with Pius from pretty early on, which many say was bad in itself. Still, he also helped the allies with intelligence, to the point where Hitler accused him of espionage and had plans to kidnap him.

u/sensiblepuffin@lemmy.funami.tech · 12 points

Would you like to refute the statement instead of just saying they don't know what they're talking about?

I'll start - Catholics were amongst (there were many) the first groups that the Nazis started targeting. It's not a coincidence that the intellectuals, the Jews, the Catholics, etc. were also the ones that had some reaallly nice silverware that would look great in the Fuhrer's country home. If nothing else, Catholics would be acting in their self-interest to oppose the Nazis.

u/AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world · 28 points

I was gonna say, IIRC the Nazis kept trying to hide in ancient cathedrals, because they thought the allies wouldn't bomb them. The Pope at the time told the allies to burn and bomb the Nazis out.

u/madcaesar@lemmy.world · 1 points

The catholic church strongly opposed the Nazis

🤣 What??? Holy shit, lack of historical knowledge batman!

u/lost_screwdriver@thelemmy.club · 32 points

The catholic church strongly opposed the Nazis. A lot of christians were killed by the Nazis because of this. The pope is more like:

like:

"Fuck, not those guys again"

u/Litebit@lemmy.world · 0 points

He was given the Holy Ghost treatment.

He stayed at the Holy Ghost suite.

u/AJ1@lemmy.ca · 19 points

Get fucked JD you complete and utter douchebag

Love,

-The Pope

u/AJ1@lemmy.ca · 11 points

He met up with King Charles a couple days prior, so he's doing fine. It's a clear middle finger to this douche clown.

u/Dagwood222@lemm.ee · 39 points

He could show up and do a few pictures, even from a wheelchair. This was a deliberate slap in the face.

u/laurelraven@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 points

They didn't say it was purposeful or not, just that it isn't always misleading... Sometimes someone can have RBF and actually be exactly like they look

u/Maalus@lemmy.world · 11 points

It specifically is about looking unapproachable, angry etc, when the person doesn't feel any of those emotions (hence the "resting" part, like resting heart rate). It means someone who is having fun but looking differently too. *removed*iness or shittiness doesn't factor in at all - the "*removed*" in the name is a metaphor.

u/prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 5 points

"Misleading" does not need to be purposeful.

What you just described is like the textbook definition of "unintentionally misleading."

u/barsoap@lemm.ee · 4 points

Yep the resting face is not a good judge of character, the active one is much more telling, and in Vance's case it's "self-righteousness without contentedness to back it up". You can't be discontent with yourself and at the same time think yourself to be the pinnacle of insight, at least not without a hefty dose of neurosis, that is.

u/ripcord@lemmy.world · 2 points

No, the phrase doesn't have anything to do with being misleading or not. It just means they look like a shitty, *removed* person on the outside. It may or may not be accurate. It definitely sometimes is not.

u/taladar@sh.itjust.works · 38 points

That is not really what that phrase means though. That phrase refers to people whose neutral facial expression makes them look like someone unfriendly when the person behind it is not. In Vance's case this is not true, his inside is just as ugly as his outside.

u/Dagwood222@lemm.ee · 2 points

[off topic]

I have at least one friend who says she has RBF. I beleive actress January Jones has said it, too.

u/D_C@lemm.ee · 73 points

Not just their emissaries. Ghost everyone up to FatBoy Tangerine, and beyond.

If there is ever another voted in president and this new 'leader' is a decent person, not just a tRUMP puppet. Then ghost them as well for allowing that orange turd to walk free after all the treasonous shit he pulled in his first term.

u/Akasazh@feddit.nl · 21 points

James Donald Bowman is a miserable twat.

And I will deadname him in every thread that I come across.

u/floofloof@lemmy.ca · 4 points

Did he change his middle name from Donald to David because he thought Donald was a stupid name?

u/axh@lemmy.world · 15 points

Well, they show a lot of compassion and support for all those accused priests.

u/ShotDonkey@lemmy.world · 4 points

I don't get the downvotes. My neighbours kid was abused while they had to deal with a psychotic other kid. The perpetrator, a catholic brothe, knew that and exploited the situation. They tried to cover up and denied everything. And that is only one reason to hate them. It was and is endemic. Greetings from catholic south Germany.

u/Litebit@lemmy.world · 5 points

Wow, what did Vance do to him... that guy is a jinx, everywhere he goes things fail.

u/jojo@lemmy.zip · 43 points

Not sure if this was a joke, but I sure laughed with it

u/AtariDump@lemmy.world · 22 points

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u/Dultas@lemmy.world · 6 points

Supply Side Jesus would. And let's be honest that's the Jesus they pretend to follow.

u/wellheh@lemmy.sdf.org · 21 points

Even if you aren't big on Catholicism, do we think Jesus would advocate harming migrants to put yourself first? This is the guy who said the widow person donating two coppers is a exemplary person because they gave everything they had. From a Catholic pov, surely the right move would be to help migrants over enriching yourself.

u/Bonesince1997@lemmy.world · 117 points

His boss being a rapist felon that never faces consequences let alone justice. And we're all supposed to turn a blind eye in their world.

u/captainlezbian@lemmy.world · 23 points

I'm an apostate and I can say that if you managed to get to the eucharist you should know that when you don't know something about catholic doctrine you're supposed to run it up the msgisterium. That's what they're there for. Priests go to college for this shit and usually can set you right. If they don't know they can ask a bishop. If it's pressing and uncertain the pope may need to make a call. And if a world leader asks it the pope actually might

u/mst@discuss.tchncs.de · 4 points

I don't know what interpretation of Jesus wouldn't whip him out of the temple. It's hard to twist the part about loving your neighbor like yourself into yourself coming first.

u/RamblingPanda@lemmynsfw.com · 250 points

In February, without naming names, the Pope directly refuted a Catholic concept Vance had twisted to justify deportations. Vance had cited ordo amoris—the “order of love”—to argue that Americans should come first.

Francis responded: “Christian love is not a concentric expansion of interests that little by little extend to other persons and groups.”

Vance, acknowledging the rebuke, called himself a “baby Catholic” and admitted, “there are things about the faith that I don’t know.”

Dude, I'm not Catholic at all and I could have told you that. It's not really complicated to see that Catholic interpretation Jesus would whip you out of the temple.

u/PennyRoyal@sh.itjust.works · 183 points

The rest of the world should take this approach. If everyone just plain ignored and ghosts the US’s emissaries it would be pretty funny.

u/then_three_more@lemmy.world · 96 points

Is "ghosts" really the most sensitive word for someone who's been on deaths door for a while now?

Edit - er. Well. Just seen today's news.

u/Furbag@lemmy.world · 87 points

Pope meets with JD Vance.

Says the Trump admin's immigration policy is a grave sin.

Refuses to elaborate.

Dies.

Based Holiness.

u/Grizzlyboy@lemm.ee · 65 points

Guy only has hours left alive, he shouldn’t be cursed to speak to an American fascist cunt.

u/kyza@lemmy.world · 59 points

Pope ***Ghosts*** JD Vance

This is a very unfortunate title.

u/CallateCoyote@lemmy.world · 57 points

Dude all but endorsed Trump, called Harris a baby killer. Fuck him and his nonsense organization.

Of course popes have a wonderful history of supporting authoritarian monsters.

u/skar3@feddit.it · 53 points

Bullshit article, they met:

https://www.vaticannews.va/it/papa/news/2025-04/jd-vance-incontro-papa-francesco-santa-marta-pasqua.html

u/tehn00bi@lemmy.world · 46 points

Could it be claimed that JD killed the pope? Pretty sus that he had a brief meeting and the man was dead hours later.

u/barneypiccolo@lemm.ee · 45 points

The Catholic Church has never lived down its association with the last Nazis that rose to power, they aren't making that mistake again.

"Fuck those guys." - current Pope.

u/HipHoboHarold@lemmy.world · 31 points

I cant imagine hearing the the Pope died

And knowing that one of the last things he did alive was tell me Im being an asshole

But not even directly. Instead I didnt even get to meet him and he just sent someone to tell me.

u/Blackmist@feddit.uk · 27 points

"I've only got a few hours left, I'm not talking to that pudding faced prick"

u/arc@lemm.ee · 27 points

Let's hope no rumors swirl that JD killed the pope with a contact poison

u/tehWrapper@lemmy.world · 24 points

Did I not read a while back that he lost a fair amount of speech with his recent health troubles?

u/Alloi@lemmy.world · 23 points

"they didnt tell me how wonderful the vaticans taste in furniture was.....mmm..mmm..mmmm..."

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u/MapleEngineer@lemmy.world · 20 points

He didn't want to be in a MAGA propaganda photo. Neither did Gretchen Whitmer.

![](https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/be6ba8eb-09d2-4635-b085-72080f176d97.jpeg)

u/Gammelfisch@lemmy.world · 17 points

Kudos to the Pope Francis and fuck Just Dumb. I would have sent the Swiss Guard and tossed his Russian supporting ass out of the Vatican.

u/captainlezbian@lemmy.world · 15 points

Lol. You're only allowed to be that bad of a catholic if you were born one or at least have been one for a decade or two. Recent converts realizing catholicism isn't the aesthetic is funny

u/WorkshopBubby@lemmy.ca · 12 points

we all know the pope is a radical left lunatic activist pope. he should be impeached, and joe rogan should be the new pope. /s

u/Hikuro93@lemmy.world · 10 points

Oh no, Vance got Vance'd... Lucky it wasn't televised for the whole world to see.

Anyways, can't wait for the snarky tantrum and projection condemning the Pope once he's far away.

Bet the poor Pope couldn't even attend because in addition to his health issues he must have felt the evil pressure oozing from Vance.

![](https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/cdd811a5-0288-4774-b185-5bd22e71bec0.jpeg)

u/Ledericas@lemm.ee · 9 points

Vance barely made a peep in public when p47 was inaugarated only made noise as directed by thiel, when trump/doge was facing alot of backlash for the firings and tariffs to distract the public.

u/ohwhatfollyisman@lemmy.world · 6 points

years ago, i came across the phrase "resting *removed* face" online somewhere. i don't know in what context i read it or where, but i do remember being utterly confused by the concept. like, what even is that phrase supposed to mean?!

and that consternation had only deepened and strengthened right up to the recent past when photos of jd vance began to surface. now it's 100% clear what the author of that long-forgotten post must have meant when they typed out those three little words.

u/yournamehere@lemm.ee · 2 points

the pope is a ghost. a chubby one. doesnt sound too good when he talks...like ghost noises. religion is weird.

u/mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca · 1 points

what service is the Confederates versus Catholic Church war going to be streamed on, and will I have to pay per episode or just for the series subscription?

u/FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world · -1 points

I'm just over here annoyed at people calling the Pope's continuing ability to live a 'miracle' when he's spent the last month in a hospital keeping his ass animated with advanced medical science that his church probably condemns every Sunday.

u/Litebit@lemmy.world · -1 points

I want to see JD Vanker of US meet (brother Wang) Wang ker Yi of China.

u/prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · -7 points

Yeah, I don't think that's what ghosting is. He just skipped the meeting. Ghosting would be not sending anyone.