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Frankly the news media have been suspect from the very beginning. There’s never been a time when they were not biased or sensationalist. All we can do is read them critically, and not rely overly much on any single source.

He feels the same way about Ukraine so I think the title is valid

I’m a staunch Ukraine supporter and I agree with your assessment this is frankly clickbait. It’s important we hold ourselves accountable and only stick to the facts. If we don’t, we give over the narrative to those who have the power to influence it.

Are there any actual news sources left? They all seem to be clickbait.

Piss negotiations.

Thank you

For most, "College" is the first 4 or so years getting a bachelor's degree. Beyond that is "Grad school" where you get Graduate degrees like PhDs, Masters degrees, and whatnot.

I only did undergrad and the degree was in acting so take what I say with a grain of salt as I am an authority on practically nothing.

How far does college go? PhD?

Probably important to note that in American English, _college_ refers to tertiary education ('university' elsewhere)

They say 'or', then they act out 'and'.

That is definitely what will happen if they surrender though.

Can't happen soon enough man. I wake up every morning and go to Google news front page hoping to see it. I hate that my mind is being spent on having to hate this ugly, evil person.

He should fall for so long that he has time to regret his life choices. They should need to to a dna test to confirm it was him with from the shit stain in the crater.

or a window in top floor of a skyscraper. Dude needs some fresh air.

Some some glowing tea?

Right. But the point people are trying to make is that the title is somehow “misleading”.

That is how war generally works. Until a peace is negotiated you would like the other side to surrender or die. Yeah Putin started it, but that doesn't change the nature of war.

You're incorrect

VOA is explicitly American propaganda. That is literally its public purpose and goal.

"but misinfo isn’t going to help"

tell that to literally all of politics

Surprises me even more because it is VOA.

Yeah. I didn't like that. I don't like Putin but misinfo isn't going to help.

For anyone not reading the article

ie. everybody in the thread

Strange because the actual title of the article mentions that fact. it appears the link seeks to make it as clickbaity as possible.

I feel like fast doesn’t change anything. “Surrender or die” is not very “peac-y” whether you’re in Kursk or somewhere else.

Whoa

TBF he never specified which day.

Yes a very weird one... Albeit a long one.

Check again tomorrow

One of his goons said he WILL end it in a day. How far away that day is... who knows.

Congress passed a resolution that literally says days no longer pass.

https://reason.com/2025/03/12/congress-just-made-it-harder-for-congress-to-block-trumps-tariffs/

There are two "why"s: Why Kaliningrad became.part of Soviet Union and why it ended up as part of the Russia in 1991. Here the answers to both:

After WWII, Germany had to give USSR a lot of land as a form of reparations. Mostly this was done by handing parts of Germany in the east to Poland, expanding Poland to the west AND them handing the same amount of territory from Poland to USSR, essentially forcibly moving Poland westwards. This was quite an a-hole thing to do to Poland. Also, it had the weird effect that the culture and dialects of easternmost Poland suddenly moved to westernmost parts of Poland. There is a weird dialect border where if you go west past the old German border, suddenly you have eastern dialects. But, the Königsberg area had been an integral part of Germany for a long time before WWII began, so it was possible to simply annex it to USSR and that's it. Germans were expelled from it, and the area was largely empty. Soviet Union decided to make it part of the state called RSFSR, not a new state, even though the annexed parts of easternmost Germany were not connected to the rest of RSFSR.

When parts of Poland were annexed to USSR in the process of moving Poland westwards, those parts were made part of the "Ukrainian Socialist Soviet Republic" (which was called "USSR" within Soviet bureaucracy, heh!)

Why the Kaliningrad area wasn't made a part of the neighbouring "Lithuanian Socialist Soviet Republic", is an interesting question! Probably because in Ukraine the Russification was already quite far, in Lithuania absolutely not. (EDIT: well, of course those parts of Poland were predominantly Ukrainian-speaking, and Soviets allowed the Ukrainian-speakers to remain and only deported the Poles from their homes. And at the same time, the new Kaliningrad area was completely emptied of people, which does make a difference!)

In any case, in 1991 the Soviet Union fell. Each state became an independent country. Kaliningrad was a part of RSFSR, and that became the Russian Federation, so Kaliningrad ended up as a part of the Russia.

That raises a lot more questions

Like

Why? Lol

I think a lot is personal perspective too. Anyway, Odin has a special place in my heart. A lot of deities from around the world do. The archetypes are us, after all.

Thanks for your reply.

I'm not an expert. It's think the name might just be derivative, but obviously with the time it takes for a name to change, their aspects might change as well.

It is a fascinating site.

Wodan, Wotan, Woden, Uuoden or Wuotan are just the continental germanic spellings of the name, while Odin is nordic. They all go back to proto-germanic Wōðanaz.

The Old English Wōden of course going back to the Anglo and Saxon invasion of England.

Ok so I learned a lot there

But I like your spirit. Makes me glad y'all are there and not the US

Fascinating! Thanks for this mythology lesson. I once read that although referring to the same god, "Wodan" is Odin on a grumpy day. Would you agree (I believe it was a modern Norwegian practitioner saying this, it was a long time ago, though).

Kaliningrad was German before (Königsberg) but was annexed by the Soviets after WW2 and Russified. At the time there was a land border through the Baltics. When these former Soviet states broke free, Kaliningrad remained Russian.

Yeah kaliningrad oblast came like as a surprise to me as well some years back. Like what the fuck is a piece of Russia doing there?!

Estonia is a EU and NATO country. It's not part of NORDEFCO but we still have exercised with them extensively I believe especially after joining NATO.

Finland is the backbone of the Nordic defense.

And that's my favourite role. In the army we won the rope-pulling contest with me as anchor. The other teams wore fucking boots while we had sneakers on (because dress code says no boots with exercise gear) so they broke military dress code **and** accused us of cheating.

I know I wasn't the strongest member of our group (we had one EU judo champion who could toss a 10-20kg exercise ball to the ceiling of a sports hall like 10m high), but I was the most unyielding one with the most spirit and anger and that's infectious.

I like to think I channeled the spirit of Óðinn:

>As mentioned above, Odin’s name can be translated as “Master of Ecstasy.” His Old Norse name, Óðinn, is formed from two parts: first, the noun óðr, “ecstasy, fury, inspiration,” and the suffix -inn, the masculine definite article, which, when added to the end of another word like this, means something like “the master of” or “a perfect example of.” The eleventh-century historian Adam of Bremen confirms this when he translates “Odin” as “The Furious.”[1] Óðr can take countless different forms. As one saga describes Odin, “when he sat with his friends, he gladdened the spirits of all of them, but when he was at war, his demeanor was terrifyingly grim.”

https://norse-mythology.org/gods-and-creatures/the-aesir-gods-and-goddesses/odin/

*(as a side note odin was way gayer than ppl think and slightly genderfluid and I respect all lgtb and im not a racist, it's just something you have to mention when talking about norse myths)*

And thats wholly tangential but it's what I bring to the table.. Let Vanja fucking try opening up another front.

“Silmien Välliin” - Finnish Anti-Russian Song

Finland isn't what I'm quite so worried about yet.

Its more Estonia. And Latvia. And Moldova, Romania, Poland, Chezchia, Slovakia, Serbia, Bulgaria, etc.

Hungary and Belarus I think we can say are pretty much already Russia.

Also I didn't know about the Kaliningrad Oblast, anyone know what the fuck happened there?

If Europe really wanted to stop Russia, they would've sent armies into Ukraine.

"We don't want to escalate because it might start WW3!"

But Putin is going to attack you guys anyways when he's done with Ukraine.

"Yes, but this is the rhetoric dumbasses have been told to peddle so that's what we're doing!"

I still remember when people said Ukraine shouldn't mine its border because it would be seen as "escalation." Funny how the wrong-crowd always scatters like roaches after the damage is done.

They have scheduled a committee meeting to decide where to plant the tree from which they might someday get big sticks.

Bet.

We ready bruv

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Russia had experience in trying to invade Finland. Hasn't gone well for them since... well, since the idea of nations to begin with.

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We're doing that. Well, without the stick.

Europe is doing the opposite of “speak quietly and carry a big stick”

Nah you can totally trust people who use the terms "or die" in peace negotiations

It astounds me when sarcasm as thick as this still isn't detected.

Technically correct dictator 🥲

There will be peace when there's nobody left to fight.

He cherishes peace with all of his heart. He doesn't care how many men, women and children he kills to get it

Bullshit.

That’s… simply not true

>I can tell you’re a victim of the propaganda mill and get visibly uncomfortable whenever someone says something that goes against your indoctrination.

I'm not here to spread propaganda or justify my indoctrination.

Do you just argue with everyone on the internet that's looking for an argument? Lol.

...okay?

Now it's time for you to spew your talking points in turn, should you have any.

There you go just looking for an excuse to spew your propagandized talking points.

Okay, any idea of what the propaganda mill has told me, then?

The facts at hand tell that in the latter half of year 2024 Ukraine received zero military aid from USA. Because of that, the Russia was able to advance at a surpricingly fast pace. Because of this, they managed to conquer as much as 0.7 % of Ukraine's total territory during that year. Under one percent. When they were fast.

They almost never use tanks anymore, but ATV's, because they have only the tanks they are able to produce. Which is about 30 per month. Which is a lot, to be honest, but it's easy for Ukraine to destroy at least one Russian tank per day. And that makes 30 per month as well...

The Russia has had a stable recruitment ability of 25 000 to 35 000 soldiers per month, and are currently losing 1000 to 1400 per day. That makes about 40 000 soldiers lost per month. By far not all of those are deaths, but all of those are permanent losses through very serious wounds or death.

When you recruit 35 000 soldiers and lose 40 000, you are not gaining any additional troops. You are keeping their numbers approximately stable, but keeping them approximately stable is what Ukraine is able to do as well. Neither side is able to get additional troops.

Please tell me. What is it that the propaganda mill has told me?

I did not feel uncomfortable from what you said, because you said nothing with actual content. You said "simply not true", and left it to that.

Please tell me something that makes me feel uncomfortable.

Are you going to make an argument of any substance or just keep on with these “you people” attempts to sound superior? If you have something to say, fucking say it instead of just spraying insults at the room.

Lol. This comment was literally censored for saying Ukraine can't win without additional troops.

The reason given was "low-effort." I swear, you people are just as bad if not worse than the Russians with how much you censor information you don't like.

Yeah but when has a grand empire ever actually bankrupted itself fighting some small, tenacious enemy? /s

The Russia cannot win without additional troops either. And they cannot get those.

Eventually the Russia's economy will collapse, and at that point it will lose the war and has to leave Ukraine.

Ukraine cannot win the war, but has enough support that it also will not lose it.

The Russia cannot win the war, and doesn't have enough support to avoid eventually losing it.

Once the Russia has lost the war, it has to leave Ukraine, because then there's nothing it can do to stop Ukrainian forces from taking its territories back.

It is irrelevant that Ukraine cannot win the war, since the Russia is doomed to lose it.

They can't win without additional troops.

I wish I could say I don't know why you people don't realize it, but I get it now.

I heard that Duterte got his Nobel price for his hard work in the Filipines! C'mon putin, visit Cancun but why not have some touchdowns along the way. See if you can tell interpol from cute dancers or maybe food servants? The interpol has your price! Come get it!

Ukraine asked for it. By the way she dressed. If Ukraine didn't want to be invaded, she should have just kept an aspirin between her knees

Accept that there are those lurking here whos only purpose is to downvote good and accurate content. So for the real lemmy users, no you don't have to add it. For the ones who are only here to stir up trouble. Why bother.

Ukraine shouldn't have started it by wanting to be independent of Russia.

Edit: do I really need to add /s?

With a cup of Polonium tea.

Throw him out the window of a crashing plane in poisoned underwear.

His domestic opposition is more vocally pro-war then he is, so no, this wouldn't end it.

Or he sulks in the corner focuses on his trade war and bans media outlets that point out how terrible is at negotiation.

I think we know he'll do the opposite. Him being a Russian asset is practically accepted fact at this point

Shame.

Trump gets angry how his perfect plan fails, calls for sanctions and increased weapon delivered to Ukraine of of spite.

Because they need Ukrainian resources or the Russian state goes bankrupt and that's the end of Russia.

The cease fire was only for long range missiles anyways, didn’t affect the front line.

2. America Europe Ukraine meet, agree to a 30 day ceasefire. Agree this tests if Russia is serious about ending the war. Putin gobbs off, surrender or die.

Ukrainians think they must fight, or surrender and die.

Almost nobody in Ukraine thinks the choice is between surrendering and dying, because people there think surrendering us what would cause the dying.

You, and 67 other people didn't catch my drift. Edited the comment to make clear what I meant.

Why? Given what Putin ordered to be done to Ukrainians I can imagine that many if not most would like to see him surrender or die himself.

You are not good at your job.

Dude, how do you suppose Ukraine would kill everyone in an area 7000 km wide?

Let's delve a bit deeper into this:

The Russia surrendering means it exists only within its borders.

Ukraine is not going to kill Russians inside the Russia, nor do anything else to them either. They kill what they have to, in order to get the Russia out of Ukraine.

Ukraine surrendering means it exists within no borders whatsoever.

The Russia is killing Ukrainians inside Ukraine, and will continue doing so even if the war ends.

So, Putin says Ukraine must surrender or all people of Ukraine in Ukraine will die.

And you're saying it could be said that Ukraine "says" the Russia must surrender or all people of the Russian Federation in Ukraine will die.

I think there's a very important difference between these two. While it would be idiotic to kill all Russians (Rossijskie) in Ukraine, it would still mean "only" killing them in one country outside their own. Killing all Ukrainians in Ukraine would mean killing them in their own country.

So... Let me check I get this right on the timeline.

America Europe Ukraine meet, agree to a 30 day ceasefire. Agree this tests *if* Russia is serious about ending the war. Putin gobbs off, surrender or die.

Categorical that Russia is not serious about ending the war.

Next steps boys

Man, what a peace-loving guy! Damn Ukraine for not stopping the war! >:/

Europe, I hope y'all are doing the whole "speak quietly and carry a big stick."

Because if Putin steam rolls Ukraine, he's not stopping there, and now he has the US government under his control too.

Bro, you don't even have the strongest army inside of Russia.

For anyone not reading the article he is specifically talking about any troops Ukraine has left in the Kursk region as there has been a general pullback into Ukraine from Kursk in the last few days. This is not about the wider peace negotiations.

And I say Putin must die or rot in prison.

Fucking war criminal.

Can someone please take Putin out on a balcony

Hm this is going to be a real speedbump on the way to Trump's Nobel

Trump was supposed to end this war in a day. Has it been a day yet?

Funny how Putin offers "mercy" while bombing hospitals. His dictionary must define peace as "total submission."

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So more weapons and aid to Ukraine it is then.

He wants peace btw

Ah yes, the peace talks...

Eat shit, Putin .

I'm amazed he's offering "Surrender or die", I figured he'd pull an Israel and go "Surrender AND die"

Putin really meant, "Surrender AND die".

That’s not a mutually exclusive or

After reading this article, I have to say that the headline/image are pretty misleading. He was talking about Kursk, the region of Russia that Ukraine invaded: he said it’s back under Russian control and the Ukraine forces there are surrounded. _Then_ he said **they** have two options: surrender or die.

I’m not defending Putin here. Just that he’s evil enough without actually taking things out of context to twist what actually happened into some clickbait headline.

Hey Putin, wanna hear a funny story?


In the words of The Dread Pirate Roberts: "Death First!"

Putin must surrender or die

I'd love to fly that drone that does the job

😁

With what, the second strongest army in Russia?

He actually said, " Ukrainians must surrender or I die" but the media being what they are....

Headline will probably work as well if you just switch positions of "Putin" and "Ukrainians".

Edit: The words in the headline, you dinguses. Switch the positions of the words and the headline will probably be true just the same way 🤦😄