Calls for boycotting US products spread in northern Europe

>If we start ignoring the laws, we are no better than Trump

"Fascism is when piracy". What a take

Google's stack is the services they provide, so google docs is an example, google drive, hangouts, gmail, that bunch

And the mirror from microsoft like m$ word, outlook, their cloud i forget the name of, minishit teams

That type of shit, what else would i be talking about? It was very clear from the beginning

You tell me. What is a Google stack? What is a Microsoft stack? The other guy was talking about a "tech stack" which practically means nothing.

...the services provided by google?

That's worse. If someone was telling me about "google or microsoft stacks" without explaining what it is, I would laugh.

Are you talking about OS, mobile OS, GUI, web, SaaS, APIs, services, subscriptions, servers, cloud, VMs, ...? What the fuck is a stack? Stack is a term that has been stolen by web devs and means nothing anymore.

I'm trying to make a google stack replacement, which can also extend to microsoft

What kind of stack are you thinking of?

EU regulations that can be triggered in response to tariffs include an option to make that completely legal

Edit because I'm getting asked for a source:

EU Anti Coercion Instrument that got passed in 2021 and came into effect in December 2023: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=OJ%3AL_202302675

Specifically Annex I, paragraph 7:

ANNEX I

Union response measures pursuant to Article 8

[...]

7. The imposition of restrictions on the protection of intellectual property rights or their commercial exploitation, in relation to rightholders that are nationals of the third country concerned, which may amount, as necessary, to the non-performance of applicable international obligations with respect to trade-related aspects of intellectual property rights.

This applies to copyright and patents, but not trademarks as far as I know.

We need our own tech stack, that is at least verifyable. It's due time to kick out the American tech giants from government projects etc.

With America possibly becoming the new Russia it is just not safe to rely on Microsoft, Apple, Aws etc.

We need an Europan open source stack.

If we start ignoring the laws, we are no better than Trump and his ~~clowns~~ clan. Go for the alternatives instead. Also, If you keep using the US software they still get all anvertisement and telemetry which is more valuable to them than the software itself anyway.

Yup, me too. By coincidence I've moved from us platform to an non-us one so that nice too.

The idea isn't to eliminate all spend, it's the low hanging fruit and then go from there. I'm seeing it as a game with badges to collect!!

This. Today I switched all my investments to Euro/EU only companies and funds, everything that has USD or US companies in the portfolio was a no-go.

On which metric?

Maybe North Korea but that's about it

Like their whiskey!

As an American here, I think I might join them. Start buying more Canadian goods.

That "Made in America" logo is going to start being viewed very differently than when I was a kid.

Send this.

Not to mention Tesla.

It is an Israeli company that used to operate a plant in illegally occupied territory in the Westbank as well as mistreating Palestinian workers. It moved to a factory in the Negev desert inside the 1967 borders. The new factory however is part of displacing Palestinian Bedouins that live in the Negev. Also the mistreatment of Palestinian workers continued.

Ultimately of course all Israeli companies also pay corporate taxes which finance the Israeli executive such as Army, Police forces and Intelligence.

https://bdsmovement.net/news/%E2%80%9Csodastream-still-subject-boycott%E2%80%9D

https://www.cjpme.org/fs_244

Awesome. I hadn't heard of this.

Quick look at their website shows they've actually achieved some pretty great things.

This is a great example. You can't just stop buying *everything*. Boycotting specific companies with specific demands is the way.

Sodastream? What did they do?

Arm isn't even owned by Brits anymore. SoftBank has a majority holding in them (Japan)

Ah, now I understand!

That is a great point. It's indeed really tricky to e.g., build a modern pc without American owned semiconductor companies when it comes to processors and graphic cards. There's like.. British ARM processors which isn't really suited for most applications.

Well exactly. Tech is about the only thing I can think of boycotting. I can certainly do services with little harm, but hardware is difficult.

This sounds great. But if you didn't buy anything in the first place there's also zero effect of boycotting. Then the movement can of course succeed quite easily, but at no net gain.

I feel like you tried to dodge the elephant in the room: the tech. The hardest part to get rid of is the technology, and in particularly the tech stack. Social media, servers, windows, outlook... The dependency is real at all levels, and I've yet to hear of any company trying to escape. This is also where I believe the boycott will fail at an consumer level, people will keep using META, stream from Netflix, order from Amazon etc. Since people are still using these, so will our companies and politicians.

I'm trying to think, apart from technology, what do I buy from American brands?

• American food doesn't really come here except fast food franchises which I don't frequent anyway.

• Nobody has an American car.

• My car's electric anyway, so no American oil companies fueling it.

• Clothes are probably all from Asia anyway.

• I don't subscribe to any streaming services.

• I'll order 5 or 6 things from Amazon a year. So that's easy to stop.

Sure there might be the odd brand that is unknowingly American, but I'm left asking "What does America export?" because I can't think of much in my life.

✊🇩🇰

Sig Jolly til din cola. 🥤

Thank you!

As a Canadian, I have no problem supporting our EU friends.

And to be honest, just looking at the list you can tell that the ethics within those companies are completely different than what you find with the American alternatives.

Even without a dictator leading the States, buying European would still be better. 🤭

Pretty wild, actually!

Really awesome what Haltbakk Bunkers is doing! Proud of dutch pension fund ABP selling all their tesla stock

It was a private company that decided not to provide their refueling services to the American Navy, not the Norwegian government. What the government is saying is that they will not be not doing the same that Haltbakk Bunkers is doing. But this company stays firm. The practical effects will probably be minimal, since they are an important but rather small actor in the sector. But as a Norwegian, I am proud of them! (And not so much of my government).

Loops, but it's still almost alpha.

FB can be easily replaced with Lemmy

Pretty sure you can follow people on mbin.

I wish Friendica would take off more.

I said that a Facebook group is like a Lemmy community, not that Lemmy can replace Facebook. You got friendica for that (never used it though)

For marketplace replacement, Flohmarkt is coming

Lemmy is more an alternative to reddit. Friendica is the alternative to FB from the fediverse

no not really, its a totally different thing. you cant follow people here, nobody here uses their real name, and you can't limit visibility of content to just friends. marketplace is also not a thing, and that feature is not just yet another community

Aren't there actually tiktok alternatives I'm the Fediverse, rather than suggesting something that's use case is different?

Edit: I meant to say Facebook alternatives...

FB can be easily replaced with Lemmy, it's just a question of age/generation I guess

"All it takes for evil to succeed, is good people to say, "it's just business."" - Janet Leahy, Michael Reisz

FB is huge in Canada for personal stuff too, me and my *friends* do not post meal pic or vacation or things like this, but damn marketplace and some hobbies group are strong there. Just the "Made in Canada" FB group grew from 50'000 members to 1.1 million in less than a month.

I'm in Canada and Facebook is huge for my business. We get more bang out of a free social media post than paying for advertisements anywhere.

I fricking HATE IT.

On a personal level, I almost never use facebook. I refuse to put it on my phone and really only use it not to post stuff for the business - which I do through a 3rd party social media app.

That's true, but first we need to reach enough people to get the movement going. In the meantime they should just turn on their adblockers.

Absolutely! Remove all meta apps and close your accounts. Zuck is a big suckup to Trump and his software collects and sells your data as if there is no tomorrow

Meta is bad although I would argue that X and Tesla are worse.

Norway walked that back.

Norway says it will keep supplying fuel to US navy after company calls for boycott

Ditch GitHub start using codeberg.

Plenty of office alternatives, outlook is easily replaced (didn't know outlook had banner ads until recently, what a shithole)

If you prefer vscode try codium, some plugins may be missing but so is lots of ms bloat. Kate is a stellar alternative too!

Love the irony that this is hosted on reddit

Buy the phone second hand? At least your money isn't going directly to google

Firefox and Mozilla to a larger extent may be going down the gutter soon. They have been angling towards AI shit, and then their new terms of service debacle this last week makes it clear they want to sell your data for ads.

I've moved from FF to Zen browser, which is a fork. And also Librewolf, another fork.

I wanted to use GrapheneOS, but only they only officially support Pixel.

That means people have to pay Google upfront before deGoogling

Won't flame you for using proton. I'm concerned personally because of the CEOs stance, but it's not worse than Google, and is probably at least a bit better

Switched from Protonmail (after being a paying email/vpn/drive customer for 5 yrs) to Fastmail. Couldn’t be happier - if you have a 1Password account you get a discount and via the integration with 1Password it auto populates masked emails for discardable logins - same as SimpleLogin for protonmail.

Pretty satisfied with kmail/infomaniak

https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fzh3e33aulhme1.png

GrapheneOS, CalyxOs or LineageOs as an alternative to just using android.

F-droid and Aurora store for almost all android apps, Obtainium if you can find your way around git forges.

Tuta mail, Posteo and other alternatives for Gmail.

Firefox and Thunderbird as replacement for Chrome and Gmail app

Duckduckgo/Ecosia(uses Microsoft's Bing), Kagi(good but paid), SearX(free but you can run into limits quickly), Marginalia(nonpaid websites only) :- all are replacements for Google search, also learn to use **search bangs** to quickly take advantages of different search engine

i don't use almost all of Google's other products but a search would pop up other alternatives. Don't forget to use Google Takeout if you have an account with them.

Goodluck!

• Protonmail (i know it gets a lot of backfire on lemmy) and tutamail for mail

• Proton drive for google drive

• for travel i use TomoTom Go (amigo is free)

• Duckduckgo and librewolf as browsers

• Qwant and Ecosia as search engines

good luck, and don't flame me for using Proton lol

You could use services from the foes of USA like yandex and baidu

From Canada, I've done the same as you, but I'm struggling to de Google. Any suggestions?

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That's kinda genius, I must try next time

But you can get apple juice and sparkling water, right?

That's my point, I don't live in a Germanic country anymore and Apfelschorle (Rhabarbershorle too) is the only thing I miss

Wdym? We have Apfelschorle

Literally the only thing I miss about living in a Germanic country lmao

I mean, there's way more selection than just water that is still healthy.

Some people want them. Dont live on just water like me. So better them drinking local things

We will play with squirrels instead of video games! And wear bedsheets instead of clothing!

it won't be hard when you understand that USA is selling you on their diseased junk just to profit off of you. We need to wake up to the fact that they are not selling us good products. They are selling us JUNK with no government oversight that is now full of GOD KNOWS WHAT just to keep it cheap, and turn a profit at the expense of your health and hard earned money.

it is not hard to do if it’s actually better.

Spezi 🥰

Or just stop taking surgary junks

Uhhh... I don't think I will


Apfel Schorle is much better than a Coke anyway

Trouble with that in the UK is Coca-cola is the only soft drink really that hasn't bowed to the sugar tax and changed their recipe to be full of artificial sweeteners.

I absolutely can't stand the taste of these sweeteners and some even make me feel kinda of bad after drinking them.

As a mexican I can say that this will be really hard, mexicans love so much Coke btw we have popular alternatives like red cola, but I've only seen masons consume that product

godspeed

yes, it is not bad, but a few months behind

here is the ios app:

https://apps.apple.com/de/app/le-chat-by-mistral-ai/id6740410176?l=en-GB

actually works well free and generates really good images with blackforest api

work related. tbh i have even more AI subscriptions that I cant cancel (yet)

Just learned claude is also US.

The only European AI seems to be Mistral.ai

Honest question, not making fun, not judging: why do you have a subscription for chatgpt and Claude? Do you use it that often? Or is work related?

and yet your country is much worse off! grow up

Welcome, new one!

Welcome!

Pretty sure Nestle is Swiss and Saputo is Canadian. No doubt they have big US operations.

Oh they are gonna love this

torrents-csv.com

Alldebrid.com is French. Just use that for streaming with Stremio or Kodi + Seren

~~Tesla~~ nazimobile.

> Want to really hurt them?

Also we can hurt his lapdog, not buying Tesla, not investing in Elon shit, and of course leave X

I think it will. China has announced sanctions on particular US companies. I'd like to see more of that on Trump-positive businesses.

And stop enforcing them FOR them. I'll never understand US export laws !

Canadian 💪

Also it was probably free if you're in the EU, unlike the dude above you, lol. His parents had to get another job to pay for school.

Man, I wish. Preschool rocked.

You should come with me because grammar and punctuation don't seem like a strong suit.

And US does not allow Camembert, raw meat, etc. From Europe.

Doesn't Denmark use a lot of antibiotics?

There is a long-running disagreement between the US and the EU because the EU does not allow the purchase of US poultry since it does not meet EU food standards. Put bluntly, they keep too many chickens in a too small coup, and diseases spread between them as a result on top of the sheer cruelty of it all. To compensate, they give them a lot of antibiotics, which has the effect of creating and spreading resistant superbacteria. At least that's the allegation.

Doused in diseases?

What do you mean by that? That sounds like biological warfare.

Exactly this. And then try and sell us their shitty stuff that's doused in diseases and add tariffs to it?!?! Just to suck profit out of formerly allied countries, and force them to suffer for your own gain??!

Big Fuck you USA.

Lol okay. I do not really care if I insult people whose opinions I do not respect.

Just own it. If you insult and degrade others for having a different opinion than you yes, you are a bully. It's ok. Your hate is making you powerful. 

I am not a bully for insulting you, unless you mean the archaic usage of bully:

a fine chap

Just own it. Stop pretending that engaging in bullying insulting behavior is somehow different because YOU did it. You're a bully and it's ok, I've met a lot of bullies and you won't be the last. You hate anyone that disagrees with you but i don't hate you.

Said Canada to the US...

It was meant to be descriptive

Twat: a stupid or annoying person

Their populations intentions are to

1. not to support an overtly fascist regime

2. applying tit for tat as a game theoretic approach to US bullying

However, the US has never been a great ally for anyone else. Historically they abandon nations whose use for them has expired. Economically and strategically they treat their so called allies as subjects, now even more so than before.

You can call me names. If their population's intention is to harm us economically then maybe they aren't great allies?

The truth always comes out eventually.

Yea, your comment history reveals you to be a twat.

Wtf is that supposed to mean.

You mean, we, the US, are no longer their allies.

Allies don't wage trade wars against each other. Allies don't threaten to invade you.

Sybau Ivan

Good, fuck the USA and it's garbage products. It'd be harder to do if they weren't shit now, but perpetually cutting quality is basically the USA's motto. Now they are experiencing it in the government.

My Netflix membership is 10 years old. I've cancelled it yesterday. Also my prime membership.

Our family Netflix subscription ran for over 10 years and yesterday I canceled it. I also canceled my subscriptions for discord, chatGPT, claude and dropbox.

BOYCOTT U.S. SOFTWARE

boycott us, please please please please

This would help the American people fight the Oligarchs. Godspeed, friends.

Fuck you Orange Clown !

While tens of thousands of people have joined Facebook groups in Sweden and Denmark calling for no longer buying American, Norwegian company Haltbakk Bunkers has announced that it will stop supplying US military vessels with fuel.

This first US company they (and everyone) needs to boycott is Meta.

can you imagine if the movement that we are experiencing in canada takes place all over europe? that would be huge


Cancelled a bunch of subscriptions after trump support for Ukraine. Seems like the only language americans understand is 💸

And so: Hello Lemmy! Here I am! Left 'socials' like reddit, dropped hotmail and google accounts ...... i'ts not much but it's start


American here: genuinely, go for it. If you want to be even more highly targeted, you can also take a page out of Canada’s book: they’re encouraging people to target things that are produced in red states specifically, in addition to a general push for a boycott. Bourbon (from Kentucky), for instance.

Support your local breweries and buy their sodas and not coca cola <3

I do this and ngl Oettinger cola-mix and Riegele Spezi are amazing

Ding, dong, the reich is dead!

Drag is very much looking forward to singing this.

https://www.buy-european-made.eu/

https://european-alternatives.eu/

And for us Canadian, there is always https://madeincanadadirectory.ca/

Gotten rid of nearly every US digital service I have. Physical stuff I will still probably roll with my Apple devices until they wear out since they're relatively new, but almost all the data and apps are basically European and/or open source services. Work related stuff remains the challenge. Next phone will be HMD.

Actually banning Coca Cola would probably mean a lot less people becoming sick and obese

"Calls for Europe to stop eating garbage food like Americans."

Sounds like a good idea to me.

I know that my country - The Netherlands imports a lot from the US, so i am trying not to.

Ditched all my Meta accounts, closed Amazon account/prime and Kindle, moved away from Google to several other services, stopped several streaming services and when we buy products from the supermarket actively check wheter products are from the US, and replace them with local/EU/Canadian products.

Can we collectively decide not to respect American intellectual property laws to really hit the tech sector where it hurts? We don't get that many physical goods over here but most of our software is American owned. I advocate for not paying American tech companies anymore.

I’m American (embarrassed to say that right now) and came to visit this site to get off Reddit. Even we are exploring non-US options.

Fuck us up, y'all!

Sincerely,

Ashamed American

Fuck Coca-Cola drink Irn Bru!


Here's to hoping trump tariff war makes those stupid American pick-up trucks a lot more expensive to buy in EU. I hope the douchebags that bought them before have to pay way higher prices for parts now.

Migrating cloud servers to European hosters. Give EU money to improve/build a linux desktop. Use that desktop in government, schools, universities... (instead of Windows). Fork Firefox. Host fediverse services and use them where the governments use Twitter / TikTok / Insta.

Harder: Mandate for mobile phones with a user installable OS (Cyanogen etc.) Force tech companies to provide total transparency about data usage. Cancel any safe harbor agreements.

In the end, everything the Open Source crowd wished for.

Btw, I'd have no issues with American / Russian / China hosted open source stuff when we can review what it does. Ah, ok, a "european code review agency" might be a thing.

Want to really hurt them?

Stop importing their oil.

Petition your governments to drop IP laws for US tech companies like Doctorow is encouraging. If the US isn't going to honor trade agreements, hit us right in our gold plated scrotum.

Make a dent on us corp earning report, stock market is actually one of few sources Trump might listen.

If you want to learn how to do successful boycott campaigns, you should look for the BDS Movement, that has worked to spread awareness to boycott companies affiliated with the illegal Israeli occupation and genocide against Palestinians.

And no surprise, you will find many US companies in there. Also it should come as no surprise, that the US wants to outlaw even talking about boycotts in many states, as well as corrupt European politicians like in Germany attacking the notion of boycotting companies involved with brutal crimes against humanity.

We need to join efforts in reducing the economic power of Imperialism, whichever shape it takes.

https://bdsmovement.net/


I fully support this movement, but I expect it's mainly an echo bubble and will remain as such. Leave the fediverse and subreddits and most people won't even care.

!Top 20 US Food Companies and Their Brands

Edit: I'm on mobile and can't tell if this uploaded blurry or not (looks kinda rough to me). Here's the source.

As always: the power of the *working* class resides in *work*. Organize your workplace. It doesn't matter whether you stop buying cola, real impact will come if your workplace stops buying the overpriced 100k€ machine imported from the US tech sector. THAT'S where you really hurt them. Consumer expenditure is a minuscule amount of relevant key US exports.

Organize your workplace, join a union and create a local branch. Join an existing revolutionary socialist party. Create mutual aid networks in your neighbourhoods.

yup call the KETTLE black, wake up kids. USA is much better than other countries

Guess they aren't really our allies after all. The truth always comes out eventually.