Pope condemns Trump’s mass deportations as incompatible with Christianity and conscience

What the hell does "open borders" mean? Do you think Biden didn't deport people?

Religion itself is incompatible with conscience

I live in the Bible Belt. Catholics might as well be satanist to 99% of the people here.

My neighbor is the only catholic in the neighborhood and that’s how the neighbors talk about her.

She moved here from New York for some reason.

Catholicism in the deep south is nowhere near as possible like Baptist or Methodist. Most of the deep south doesn’t even consider Catholicism to be christian. The KKK targeted catholics under this belief.

True, but there are some areas in the deep South where Calothicism is a big cultural influence. However, there is also quite a bit of friction between Calothicism and some more evangelical groups in those same areas.

I think this could at least cause some meaningful friction to public opinion in some very Pro-Trumo areas. Who knows how things will land while people resolve their confrontation with the cognitive dissonance, but friction is good.

He's already the second coming of Jesus to a sizeable part of the US evangelical demographic.

Most of the US doesn’t care what the pope has to say.

It already exists and it's called Evangelicals

The American civil religion is already basically that

>What do we think Trump will call the new Christian denomination in America and what will be the title of its head?

It's going to involve the name Trump. Donny will be the head of it.

I distinctly remember a similarly high quality speech receiving this comment.

bro took off his shirt to write this

I was about to say that catholics aren't as politically fucked as the evangelicals, but I looked up the data and the difference is down to 5%.

When I was young and personally knew some catholics, they seemed so much more fun than the stuffy evangelicals. Their parents voted for Democrats and were much more permissive with their kids compared to protestants. Either my experience is fairly unique or catholics have changed.

I know evangelical and protestant don't mean the same thing but at least where I grew up almost all the protestants were evangelical or worse. Yeah it gets worse.

Please forgive the source, it doesn't appear to be biased.

I sure understand your frustration. The reason why it matters what the pope says is that a lot of people following trump are strong believers in the church. So the church saying it, may give that speech additional weight for exactly these people.

Yeah, I realized that after posting. I'm just mad at the moment, excuse my violent fantasies for a bit. What I tried to say is: what does it matter what this random old dude thinks of anything regarding anything to do with morality or conscience? He is the head of the worst institution in the last 2000 years or so grace the rest of us with their presence, whose only contributions to society is the stifling of progress, endless wars waged in the name of their imaginary friend because someone else (usually brown people) believe in THE SAME FUCKING IMAGINARY FRIEND, and the protection of child-rapists and other abusing vermin. Oh how I long for the day when the basilica of st. peter burns to the ground along with their corrupt institution.

Your comment is whataboutism

I think barnaclebutt is referring to Amy Coney Barrett, who is openly Catholic. Not sure about the other members of scouts.

The Supreme Court is staffed by Evangelicals, which make up the majority of christians in the US of A

Evangelicals and Catholics consider each other heretics and have done so since the reformation.

Edit: The reformation started after the time period historians consider "the middle ages". Oopsie.

You're going a lot off hypotheticals. You're trying to say the election was lost because some closeted republicans voted in their own interests?

How about the obvious explanations which we saw every day? People claiming to be on the left who voted third party or sat at home. And people who voted in 2020 but couldn't be bothered to vote at all. Those were BAD voter decisions and we know for sure they happened. Grasping at straws to explain the electoral outcome when those are right there in our face... Is concerning to me.

To be fair, ever since Hillary Clinton paid off DNC debt, the Democratic party turned right and deliberately sidelined more popular left leaning politicians like Sanders and AOC.

The voters are as much to blame but in the way you think. Who are the ones who keep voting down building more affordable housing in solid blue states like California and New York? The same self-proclaimed "progressives" who claim to feel bad for the homeless, are the same ones who will object to building more affordable housing because it will bring down their property value. At the end of the day, it is about the bottomline for many people. If you have watched Squid Game, that is the point the show makes. If given enough financial incentive, a good person could turn bad.

Yes, and our culture has changed a LOT since all of that. There is plenty of blame to go around, but I can't not blame people who can literally look up any information in the world in seconds from a device in their pocket, but instead they simply choose to believe whatever horseshit they already believe. No skepticism whatsoever.

Then other voters who don't give enough of a shit to even go vote have the gall to want to be seen as superior for that -- because they'd rather the world burn if they can't get their way. Fuck this timeline. Your previous comment suggests you won't have to suffer this like I will-- I'm American

One last point... are we now choosing to rewrite history that Obama was the only leftist in the history of the Democratic party?

The working class used to be the Democrat voter base and those on the rust belt voted Obama. Think about it.

Or elitists that make something significantly less bad impossible because they can't have blood on their hands.

The people who didn't vote have *more* blood on their hands than the ones who voted for Kamala. Basic practicality for the common good is disappearing, just like the capitalists wanted to achieve with their think tank wedge issues and culture wars.

Theyre brainwashed or cowards

But they *would* be a move to the left (coming from the current state, which is Republicans).

But apparently most American voters do not want to move left, not even an inch.

I'm not sure where you got that I need that condescending lecture. I don't, and it's beside the point entirely.

My point was that a protest vote or staying home is somehow forgivable to people like you who rage about Democrats when in reality voters chose this fucking horror show. You'd love for me to believe it's all the fault of Democrats for being super conservative or whatever, but the evidence in front of us doesn't support that. It's just weird speculation in which you choose to blame the party and ignore voters' bad actions.

It's quite easy to see the "if I can't have it my way, trump can fuck everything up" attitude in voters who say they're leftists, but instead you only see it in Democrats.

I am not going to explain this to an American for the umpteenth time, the truth of the matter is that, outside of American sensibilities, the Democrats are not leftists. The rest of the world see Democrats as centre right by virtue of their policies. If you put the Democratic Party in Europe, they will have more in common with the conservative German CDU and centrist neoliberal French president Macron.

By your same logic, these super smart "leftists" would rather Donald Trump usher in fascism than the rest of us _not_ move further left.

Given the rate of executions during Trump's last tenure, I think it's feasible he would've crucified Jesus for the crime of existing while brown, if given the chance

to be fair: the majority of each one of those branches also don't consider any of the others to be christian as well.

You may already know this, but is commonly taught by evangelical fundy Protestants that Catholicism isn't Christianity. It is considered a polytheistic cult due to the praying to and veneration of saints. By these group's definition: Catholics, Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses are not Christians.

Me? I think they all suck, but, I was raised by the fundies.

That's such lunacy. Just because your denomination is different doesn't mean it has a monopoly on the religion. Catholics have that same vibe to me, just not as weird about it.

I live in a highly religious part of the country. 79% of the state is some form of christian.

I have had several conversations with people here who do not comprehend that catholics are christian. In fact I even had an argument about it here on Lemmy a while back. I wonder if someone will pop out again to try to tell me that catholics aren't christians.

Does the Pope shit in the woods?

Thank you for the correction.

Christianity /= following the pope.

The Pope is exclusively catholic.

JD Vance is, but he's basically a bit player in the whole Magaverse. He's there to break ties and run interference on the stupidest of mainstream media, not to actually have any role in policy.

There’s a lot of Christians who disobey the pope because he’s running counter to co-prez Trump.

He's also not a Christian.

To be fair, they all should.

They should lose their tax exempt status.

Trump isn’t Catholic.

there's a whole parish here in my small town that's all in on the maga juice. bot farms, vpn accounts, fake social media accounts, the whole bit. employees too, not just parishioners. spreading the hate and promoting the maga cult and candidates. just like 'god' intended.

“Not my pope”. I’m, yeah, actually, he is.

It’s really scary when one has bible thumping relatives calling out *the Pope* as immoral and extremist, and embracing Donald Trump.

Thing is, though, anti catholicism runs *deep* among the evangelical crowd. This is, as far as the mega (maga) church crowd is concerned, a ringing fucking endorsement of Trump.

Trump would deport Jesus if he could.

When the pope told Henry VIII that what Henry wanted to do was a no-no, Henry separated, created Church of England, and made himself its head. What do we think Trump will call the new Christian denomination in America and what will be the title of its head?

The Pope’s selective outrage reeks of **ecclesiastical theater**—denouncing deportations while his own empire sits on centuries of plundered gold and complicit silence as right-wing zealots twist scripture into shackles. **Charity as performance art** can’t mask the Vatican’s hoarded billions or its failure to dismantle systems that create modern Exodus crises.

Trump’s deportation fetish mirrors **Roman circus politics**—distract the plebs with bloodsport while oligarchs pick their pockets. **State-sanctioned scapegoating** isn’t governance; it’s the death rattle of empires too bankrupt to fix real problems.

Invoking the Holy Family’s refugee plight? **Sacred irony**—today’s “Christians” would’ve barred Mary at the border for “illegal entry” and called Herod a patriot. **Scripture as a bludgeon** only works if you ignore the Beatitudes.

Christian nationalism’s endgame? **Theocratic feudalism**—crucifixes on flags, borders as moats, and Lazarus left to rot. **Piety as a profit model** demands enemies, not empathy.

but you see, *american* "christianity" is different. maga nuts and the far right would say 'better' or the only 'true' kind.

and "conscience", well that's "con"+"science", they don't believe in science, so toss that out. leaving only "con" which is exactly what their game is.

mtsw on Bluesky:

Since JD Vance just converted to Catholicism 5 minutes ago, he might not know this: the Pope authoring a letter where he goes out of his way to correct you, specifically, is considered "bad" in the Catholic tradition

The Vatican criticised the Nazis as well, but it didn't stop Hitler. The problem is that the cat is out of the bag when it comes to far-right in America. The only way to stop the movement is to counter it politically. But the Democratic Party is either too spineless or simply does not care, or both. They would rather lose to Trump than to move further left.

as others have said, consort trump is not catholic so he could care less about the pope.

his *spiritual advisor* believes in prosperity theology.

imo, if you want to appeal to trump, better talk in his spiritual language, *money*.

Maybe he could actually do something about it. Like excommunicating those very religious members of the supreme Court that will support it... Pipe dream. I know.

Yeah, let's ignore that Trump is an adulterer and rapist, Pope.

One has to have a conscience to be bothered by it…

They have a new lord now and he’s orange

The Vatican has gone woke...

Oh no, will Christians listen to their leader The Pope or their leader The Trump?

Not to mention common sense, practicality, cost and long-term consequences.

The Pope is right like a stopped watch, and you know what else is incompatible with Christianity and conscience? The Catholic Church.

The Pope doesnt represent REAL CATHOLICS! DONALD TRUMP DOES! Him and ALL his Marriages and Wealth!

If I go pitch a tent in Vatican City and take up permanent residence there, presumably he will order the Swiss Guard not to deport me. Good to know.

So is raping altar boys, though...

Why are we placing blame on Trump when the current situation can be traced back to policies under Biden, such as open borders and the lack of a clear pathway to citizenship for immigrants? It seems we have forgotten the broader context of this issue.