[Frame] Landed on the waitlist, two friends as well (Europe)

I’m right there with you. Still in limbo no email

The purchase history has to be older than the stream controller, so those bots are not eligeable (requirement is April, controller released on may).

Steam controller already had that requirement for an older purchase though. You couldn't buy the Steam Controller with a new account. So yes, any that were eligible to buy the controller were eligible for the Steam Frame lottery.

The purchase history has to be older than the stream controller, so those bots are not eligeable (requirement is April, controller released on may).

The bot/scalper problem wasn't such an issue before. The deck oled had stock for many days in my region.

In theory they are already prioritizing old/verified accounts, demand is just much higher than supply.

I hope you get lucky with you place on the wait list, I think this was the best solution to a very shitty situation.

I didn't get it two of my friends did.

I have managed to get every single Valve hardware I wanted to get so far (Deck, Deck OLED, Controller), just by showing up on time and being patient with the servers. Until now. So for me personally, my experience with the old system has been better.

They already had bot prevention measures by requiring a game purchase on Steam etc just like they did for the Frame. If a bot managed to buy a Steam Controller, it could also have entered the lottery for the Frame. So I'm not sure that there is that much of an advantage in that regard. Ebay is full of scalpers already.

It's the fairest solution imo. What would you prefer? A bot beating you to the punch?

🆗

Some of us don't mind spending money on our hobby.

And rather mind getting data scraped by one of the biggest advertisement companies that subsidized their headsets in order to get more data and get bootlickers online to defend their malpractices.

Same.

They were going to go through the orders chronologically afterwards.


Oh snap, I misread it! It says reservation.

Thanks for the comment!


Oh yay, I got the email saying "reservation queue" and wasn't really sure what that meant - I assumed it was "you've not won this round, but you're in the queue if someone drops out".

yay!

If it says waitlist, then yes. If it says reservation list, you made it!

also got lucky, with the 256gb model!

Woot!

Yeah there's a reservation queue (you'll get it soon) and a waitlist (not so soon).

Wait, there's another queue?

rip

I mean none of this makes much sense to me. I dunno why they don't just send them all at once...but it seems like sooner would be better than later.

Not necessarily, people seem to be getting a mix of wins and loses all day long.

I doubt it's just "send all the wins, then all the loses"

Depends on how they're deciding ordering. It could be that earlier waitlist emails mean higher on the list. But it could also be a different system.

It could also be when you put in to the raffle, you're in line. Then on raffle close time, they start at the beginning of the line and rng you a number between 1 and the number of people in line, setting your order, and if you get a number within however many units they have, you win a reservation. With the waves of emails just being them going through chunks of people, eliminating undesirables and cheaters and bots and stuff.

Like the first 10 people who put in initially could all get the highest (worst) numbered slots in the order. And if you haven't gotten an email at all yet, you could still rng slot #1, assuming it's available.

It could also just be a massive shuffle at all once and them just vetting the accounts.

I'm really curious to how they're actually doing it. It could absolutely be more robust, and it's exciting to imagine them really getting carried away with the method. Like total rng ordering with tie breaking or something silly. Or like a recursive iterative sort for no reason. These raffles ran by scientists can get crazy nerdy quickly. Maybe they'll talk about it and have done something like use hl2 to order stuff somehow.

That seems...not good.

The emails are sent out in batches (according to someone in this thread, it does make sense though). It means the email batch you're in wasn't sent yet, so you still have to wait for the email. I also haven't gotten an email yet.

It means you died. Please give my condolences to your friends and family. If you do get an email that your reservation was approved, please forward it along to me for further inspection.

Have you gotten the mail yet? I'm still waiting for mine

What do you mean by worst case?

As you said these sites are likely to overrepresent waitlisted people. As a fellow waitlisted person, I'm using them to get an idea of how "bad" the situation is, i.e. to curb my expectations about moving to the reservation list at some point. Waitlisted people being overrepresented will make the situation look worse than it is, meaning I'm more likely to be positively surprised than negatively.

What do you mean by worst case?

I cannot provide a good source (besides the book "How to measure anything") for this, but probably 50 random participants would be enough to provide a pretty accurate estimate of waitlist wait time. That‘s orders of magnitude less than the data these sites have, but they are probably less accurate.

I don't actually mind that, as it gives a worst case estimation and it is likely to be better in reality. Better than the other way around

Yeah if anything, I'm surprised so many people got an email so quickly. Still a bummer hearing everyone talk about it and just sitting there waiting...

Could take up to a day IIRC, you should recieve something by end of day Sept 18th Pacific time... that's a wait that would have killed me more than finding out I'm on a waitlist. Closure is closure, I guess?

(They did say that emails go out in batches)

Lucky. I'm not in any real hurry for it to be honest. My Quest2 still works fine, for now.

https://www.steamframeout.com/ is suggesting a friggen ton(ne) more demand than I expected as well.

Huh, damn. Me and a friend in AU both got into the reservation queue for the 256 model

It doesn't seem to be *that* bad, judging from the tracker sites. More like 4:3 or somethin

That's awesome! So jealous though

Same, had a couple of friends join the list and myself and one friend got lucky. Wish it were cheaper, but I'm excited.

Ooof

Would looove to know that too, I have no idea of what to expect on the waitlist.

As someone who is still in the waitlist for the Steam Machine, and Steam Controller...

For some, they still weren't like... they just are...

I also managed to make the reservation list! In the US.

I'm amazed, I literally never win anything. I very much expected to be on the wait-list.

This is awesome, thanks!

Thanks for that link! I also found this one: https://steamframeout.com/

The reservation email didn’t explain things very clearly, so when I got it, I wasn’t immediately excited.

Same here, but after I saw some of the email screenshots here showing what the waitlist message looked like, then I realized I had been lucky.

Yeah the wait-list email is very clear that you will be waiting. The reservation email didn't explain things very clearly, so when I got it, I wasn't immediately excited. I was worried I was misreading it, so I went to steam but their verbage has been removed from the page. So I ended up having to Google around to confirm that I should be excited.

I did, I think. My email says I'm in the queue instead of on the waitlist.

I won the lottery for the 256GB variant in the US, for what it's worth. Otherwise, based on the community tracker, it's about a 2:3 ratio of reservations to waitlists so far?

That's definitely some rough luck. Hopefully you're on the next round!

I was lucky enough to make it on the 1TB reservation queue in the US!

I got lucky and got in the queue.

That reminded me to check my email and I’m in queue for the 1Tb. I think this might rate my first woot in over a decade.

Woot!

Yup, waitlist. Very sad. At least we can share in the sadness together.

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Yeah me too.

Meanwhile I’m still waiting for my Steam Machine reservation 😭

I also landed on the waitlist. Sad :(

256GB, Germany


I got into the reservation Queue, US

256,EU

also waitlist 😭

I got lucky and got onto the reservation list for a 1TB model!

(Germany)

What does it mean if I received nothing?

Four friends entered, 2 got it. I was expecting worse ratio.

Just checked my email after waking to read this and, yep, wait list. 256GB in Aus. I'm kind of surprised by the demand, honestly. I thought VR was a bit of a dying fad and more of a niche thing.

I actually got in the queue but I probably can't afford the damn thing right now, I was being a bit optimistic when I signed up lmfao

Waitlist also, western NA region, 1TB model. Damn.

What are y'alls thoughts for when the next wave for reservations may go out? What were Machine/Controller waitlists like? This is my first foray into Steam lotteries.

Waitlist (ಥ﹏ಥ) 1TB, EU

I'm also on the waitlist :(

Same here, EU and 256GB version. Have not seen anyone anywhere saying they won the lottery yet.

Damn, that email meant I missed the draw?

I’ve missed every steam lottery draw and this one sucks the most. 50% odds, too, apparently.

Managed to get on the reservation queue for the 256GB in Canada.

I think Valve used up all of my luck for the foreseeable future, I somehow managed to get a controller at launch, a Machine within a few weeks of launch, and now the Frame.

Still haven't 100% decided if I'll keep my slot, but chances are pretty good I will given I've been looking to upgrade from the Rift S for a long time.

Don’t want to give anyone false hope, but I got a Steam Machine reservation email about a month after ending up on the waitlist (I’m sadly in the US).

Same, and still on the wait-list (me and my partner) for the Machine. Some rough luck for us!!

Same for me. US, didn’t make the list.

It is very unfortunate that these website only aggregate these numbers after the lottery. These estimates are so dependent on having a random sample and this is not guarenteed anymore (people who got on the waitlist are more/less likely to visit such websites)

Wow, usually I have the worst luck but somehow I landed in the reservation queue. 256GB, EU.

Managed to get into the queue for a 1TB here in EU, first bit of proper luck I've had with the Valve hardware so far

Wait what? I signed up for 256 GB in the EU, but I didn't get any kind of email yet.

Waitlist 1TB EU 😟

In the queue for a 1TB (USA). I hope everyone gets their reservation in the coming weeks!

I’ve had quite a shit year in general and previous bad luck with the Steam Controller and Machine, so this was a nice change.

**Fuck.**

I'm so happy for everyone else in these comments saying they got on the reservation list.


I still haven't received an email at all. Getting kinda nervous :'l

Waitlist, both for me and my nephew. I hate the lottery system.

I own three Steam Decks and my account was made when Half Life 2 released. I have been "past" the wait-list on both the Machine and the Frame.

Like, oh well, but still.

Considering the condition of the consumer electronics market right now, I would be surprised if the ratio of signups to available units is anything less than 50:1.

Same. So, three friends??!???

Imagine being disappointed your weren't chosen to overpay for this...