u/potustheplant

It's the fairest solution imo. What would you prefer? A bot beating you to the punch?

Sure bud

If they still have it for sale ir means that they have stock, not that they're necessarily still manufacturing it.

I think the grayscale camera literally, physically, is better at collecting light. Like, the hardware is more capable when it comes to tracking.

There are several headsets with color cameras and no tracking issues. Even if they are "better", if they don't provide a real world benefit it doesn't make sense to use them.

Cost adds up.

We're talking about a $1k+ device here. I don't think people would've drawn the line at $20 more.

As for the addon cameras being better, it's not dumb. They literally connect with a special high bandwidth connector, and they are something like twice the resolution.

And what makes you think that they couldn't have used the exact same cameras inside the Frame? Why do you assume that this external "high bandwidth" connector is the only way to use them? I'm sorry but yes, it is dumb.

Just like I wouldn't want the charger included that I wouldn't use, many others wouldn't appreciate the extra $150 to have the high res cameras be default either.

First, a decent 45w charger is like $15 nowadays so that wouldn't make that much of a difference. Second, why do you keep insisting that including the cameras would've increased the price $150? That makes 0 sense. First, if you don't use the monochrome cameras, you "recover" that money and second, if you include them in the device you don't have any extra packaging and you don't need the enclosure or anything else. The price increase would've been far far lower.

There are **lots** of articles about it since January. Example.

I'm saying that if a grayscale image was required, you can use a color camera to show that to the user and apply a mask to use a grayscale image for tracking processes.

You wouldn't get the same benefit from applying a mask I don't think.

Maybe, not sure. But then again, why wouldn't valve say so if that was the case?

If I really need color, I'll get the aftermarket adapter, probably do a better job than any built in cameras anyway 🤷‍♂️

This one's kinda dumb, sorry. Valve makes the device and they make the camera accessory as well. If the cameras were built-in and used a ribbon cable instead of usb-c, the quality would quite literally be exactly the same.

That's a dumb device, not just a stupidly expensive one. There's a reason why it was discontinued.

The index costs about the same and requires base stations. That's a very bad recommendation.

And only twice as expensive, what a steal!

You read the marketing material, nice.

Do you have the BOM to substantiate your claims or are you just winging it? This device does not seem to be that much better than a pico 4 ultra to justify the price difference.

Price is _objective_. Cost is relative. The price is high and the cost is poor when compared to other offerings.

Well, I happen tl have dabbled a bit in image processing and applying a mask to make the image grayscale has a negligible (if not inexistent) impact in performance. I do admit that I'm unaware if there's another characteristic this cameras have that make them better for tracking. If they do, it's pretty weird that Valve hasn't mentioned it.

Like the other guy said, using color cameras would not have costed much more. This is an expensive device with some budget entry-level features. There's no excuse.

Pcvr?

It kinda depends on the price of the headstrap but yes, I made a mistake and admitted it. Is there something with that??1?

My point was something different and you missed it. You also made several false claims and 1 very dumb one but seem to be unable to admit it. But sure, by all means, use a lot of exclamation marks and feel as outraged as you want buddy.

That's not a thing exclusive to the steam frame. But sure, have fun.

IYKYK...

All jokes aside, one reason is MR to watch a movie while being able to see outside. Another is when you kneed to step out of the room for just a moment or talk to someone that just came in or maybe even just grab the controllers while seeing what you're doing.

Do you really think cameras with color are that much of an ask in 2026 on a device that costs over $1k?

Better bring a few battery packs. Battery on standalone lasts like 1.5hrs.

You need to use a **double** linebreak after a quote to separate your response btw.

Most people already have chargers and cables for this, even for 45W.

Do you have _any_ type of source for this? I know plenty of people that only have a 15/20w charger for their phone.

This has been a thing with smartphones and motherboards for years. This is too old to actually ve an argument anymore. If someone wants to use 3mm jack they most likely already have a splitter

It's been a problem for years, yes. That doesn't make it less of a problem. Also, I've yet to see a single motherboard that doesn't have a 3.5mm jack. Lastly, why would you assume that they'd have a splitter? Now you're not only expected to have dongles but also splitters? For a device that costs over 1k? Honestly, you're playing yourself if you really think this isn't an issue.

That's not really even announced yet. It's an "fyi we're wanting to dp this in a few months" they told reviewers

That's irrelevant. If you want to use it standalone or for a long period of time, this "accessory" will be a requirement.

Quite being pedantic just because you got called out for being wrong.

Having a different opinion is not something you can be right or wrong about. There's this wonderful thing called "points of view". You might want to look into it.