Liberal leads conservative in exit poll, Polish presidential race too close to call

I understand what you're saying, but what I'm trying to say is that as a society, we have established certain rules: whoever gets more votes wins. This rule must be respected. Of course, I would protest if the elections were rigged, or if the new president were someone truly dangerous to others or to us. But Nawrocki is simply incompetent and has a criminal past.

The President in Poland mainly has veto power; he cannot do much more than block new government laws. Sometimes, it's better to have a president from a different party than the government, because then there isn't absolute power in the hands of one party or coalition. Poland already has a president from this party, so nothing really changes. It hurts, but we can live with it. We're simply ashamed. But everyone can be wrong. Maybe it's better this way? Who knows. Time will tell. Trzaskowski would approve every European Union law, and that's a problem. I think the EU is heading in the wrong direction. Now they want us to use an EU application to log into social media. Maybe this president will stop this madness. I think it would be better to block this law, even if it means paying a penalty.

There was only a 1 in 2137 chance of this win, but it happened.

This is what democracy looks like, and it should be respected.

Why should it be respected? Should we respect it any more than the US democracy which elected a thug? A system isn't automatically respectable just because it's one type of democracy.

Is it just me or do the Trzaskowski-majority areas sort of draw the borders of Prussia?

This has been the case in Polish elections for probably decades. A very similar case has been seen in Germany and its cold war borders.

Gonna be a nailbiting cinema for Poles.


I wish they ran a ML algorithm on the past election to see village level bellweathers and trends.

The EPFL’s predikon does it exceptionally well for swiss referendum elections. To the point that they’ll be able to call razor thin races with like just 10% of votes really accurately.

Yeah fair point

Maybe a lot of them are. But the Canada, Australia, UK elections this past year surely weren’t.

even better is that if you count the undecided as a party, the division is threefold, like with brexit (or hard brexit, soft brexit, bremain). Looks like people just toss coins around when they vote in a sea of meaningless dumb/predatory campaigns with contradictory messages and daily polling where they aim for that magical 50%....maybe polarization of means of media production...

The right has figured out how to cheat without people noticing. This smells like a Russian Tail. They stole our election. Double check yours.

https://sdvoice.info/trump-lost-vote-suppression-won-here-are-the-numbers/

https://youtu.be/UgIay64Obcs

https://youtu.be/t-yr-Mgkhm0

https://electiontruthalliance.org/eta

First and last links are the data. The middle links are for us stupid people that need to be told how to read the data in the last link.

And every time democracy is on the line. Like people are fed up with it, back to good old Fascism. Because its Democracy thats treating us like shit, not Capitalism.

How the hell does this keep happening around the world? Every election that's been happening lately seems to be a close call until the very end.

holy fuck. Talk about razor thin margins…

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Here’s the Guardian live thread if anyone wants to follow along.

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(Nawrocki is the far right dude).

Holy shit, this couldn’t be any closer. Gonna be a nailbiting cinema for Poles. Especially since the centrist declared victory prematurely…

Nawrocki won. I voted against him, but if Poles wanted a thug as president, then that's what they'll get. This is what democracy looks like, and it should be respected.

Fucking hell.

Is it just me or do the Trzaskowski-majority areas sort of draw the borders of Prussia?

https://polandelects.com/