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Zelensky says US silence over Russian attacks encourages Putin

c/worldnews · u/xc2215x@lemmy.world · 138 points

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u/surph_ninja@lemmy.world · 6 points

He’s an actor who was hired to play a role by a European oligarch. The whole financial scheme was revealed in the Pandora Papers. This is just part of the act.

u/surph_ninja@lemmy.world · 6 points

He's trying to keep the money and weapons flowing in. He’s also used the ongoing proxy war to justify not holding elections, and people remain pissed at him for pretending to be a peace candidate to get elected. Just like Netanyahu, he knows ongoing conflict is his best hope to hold onto his position.

u/davel@lemmy.ml · 20 points

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u/yogthos@lemmy.ml · 2 points

No, Russia doesn't do the same thing. Putin has not jailed opposition parties, and his party has genuine public support as even as mainstream western media acknowledges.

They now tend to see the weakness of the Russian anti-war movement as a mark of complicity among the Russian public, and they are dismayed by Putin’s approval rating: independent pollsters have measured it at over 80% support more than two years into the invasion. Even President Volodymyr Zelensky and his team have all but given up on their hopes of a popular backlash in Russia against the war.

The approval rating Putin and his party have is also far higher than seen in any western democracy at this point. Nor is there blatant violation of the democratic process as was recently seen in Romania where an election was cancelled when the wrong. candidate looked like he was winning. If Russia doesn't have fair elections, then neither does the west.

Russia allows access to most western media and has a more open media environment than Europe at this point where all Russian media is banned.

Putin literally killed one of his oppositions.

If you're referring to Navalny, he never had more than 3% support in Russia. It's also no surprise why. Meanwhile, even Ukrainians said that he died of natural causes. The actual opposition in Russia is KPRF that has around 30% support.

They conscript anyone suitable enough into the military.

Conscription has been standard in Russia since the days of USSR. Conscripts receive basic training, however they are not sent to fight in the war. This is done through volunteers signing up which is happening at a rate of around 30,000 a month.

If you don't see how Russia is different then you've spent no time actually learning about Russia.

u/yogthos@lemmy.ml · 8 points

The regime in Ukraine is literally snatching people off the street against their will to throw them into fighting. Ukraine has become an open air prison from which people can't escape. Elections have been cancelled. All opposition parties have been banned. All independent media has been shut down. It's literally a fascist dictatorship. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/15/world/europe/ukraine-military-recruitment.html

u/davel@lemmy.ml · 8 points

>Can someone explain why I am getting downvoted though?

Because not everyone agrees with you, as I explained above and in my *previouslies*. If you’d like to know more, see also previously here.

u/yogthos@lemmy.ml · 6 points

Congrats, you've just summed up every single comment of yours in this thread.

u/Grapho@lemmy.ml · 16 points

How can the Sputnik be in orbit when that's literally Russian propaganda, tankies??????

u/srubhut@lemmy.ml · 16 points

"Everything that doesn't conform to my bias is Russian Propaganda!"

u/Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml · 18 points

If the "propaganda" is verifiably correct then calling it propaganda does fuck all for your position

u/srubhut@lemmy.ml · 9 points

yeah much better they fight a guaranteed loss on the side of US and EU empires of white supremacy

u/davel@lemmy.ml · 15 points

*Which* Ukrainians do you stand with?

  • The oligarchs running the state?
  • The Banderite fascists?
  • The eastern & southern Ukrainians, who, after the Maidan coup, declared independence from an unelected government, and were subsequently terrorized by the Banderites for nearly a decade, with tacit and overt support from the Ukrainian and US governments?
  • The western Ukrainians who want the war to end?
  • The men being kidnapped off the streets and pushed to the front lines against their will?

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Previously. Previously.

u/yogthos@lemmy.ml · 7 points

It's pretty clear that they do given that they refuse negotiations and literally gang press people from the street to fight.

u/avidamoeba@lemmy.ca · 2 points

Why do you think the Ukrainian regime wants more Ukrainians to die? I understand the American and European MIC's incentive, but not the Ukranian regime's.

u/yogthos@lemmy.ml · 5 points

clearly, and all the western regimes want the same thing as well

u/yogthos@lemmy.ml · 4 points

You can use it to prolong the war and ensure more Ukrainians get slaughtered which is what the regime wants.

u/avidamoeba@lemmy.ca · 1 points

They could boost Ukranian morale, but there's only so much you could use morale for.

u/vfreire85@lemmy.ml · 14 points

guy's just finding out he's been used by the west, hopefully he'll get the idea in the next 3 years.

u/IttihadChe@lemmy.ml · 13 points

And here I thought the military and strategic victories were encouraging him.

u/humanspiral@lemmy.ca · 9 points

Extremely weird story to get pushed out everywhere. Attacks on kyiv were retaliation for Ukrainian attempted drone terrorism on Moscow the day before.

Zelensky should be the one admonished for escalating stupidly, and usa silence encourages zelensky destruction of Ukraine.

u/freagle@lemmygrad.ml · 5 points

Would Zelensky rather the US bloviate while Russia continues to roll the UA? US silence does nothing to the military situation.

u/srubhut@lemmy.ml · -5 points

Maybe Zelensky shouldn't have subjected his country to a guaranteed loss while relying on back to back war losers the US and stopped the fighting immediately then sabotage Russia from within lol