US prosecutors to seek death penalty for Luigi Mangione

"Based on the evidence, I do not believe the accused is guilty."

That's all that needs to be said.

Exactly, he had spontaneous lead spawn pop up inside him. Happens every day to assholes

Nobody did it, the guys head just did that.

New idea for a ~~band name~~ law firm name:

23andPlea

Must be 23 peasant than one ceo.

They’re not smart people. This would require the ability to critically think and reason with facts. They’re brainwashed by the billionaire backed right wing propaganda machine. Women/brown people=bad. Billionaires/White Men =good

Not if y'all aren't *removed* about it.

It’s not that far fetched.

My current tinfoil-hat conspiracy theory is that’s **_exactly_** what they’re banking on. They’ll draw the trial out until right before the midterm election… Then Trump will use the resulting riots to declare martial law and cancel the upcoming midterms, so he doesn’t lose control of congress. After he has cancelled the election, he’ll make a final push to clean house, and will start ousting liberal congress members by accusing them of being riot conspirators.

The Mangione Riots will be Trump’s Reichstag Fire.

Incels should honestly be targeting country clubs instead of elementary schools.

The ruling class plays a much bigger role in *why* they're incels than school students do.

She’s an evil, soulless vessel of meat

That's fucked up that a prosecutor has lobbyist interests in private prisons.

I’m sure that will be as corrupt as everything else this administration touches

Yeah there's no better reason to use jury nullification than when government wants to kill a guy for political reasons.

Federal juries are way, way easier to tilt towards the prosecution, and the judge has far more power, even assuming he isn't a Trump appointee.

Start the campaign now for President in 2256. Wouldn't want the judges to look politically biased, they'll have to hold off on sentencing until after the election.

Lol imagine thinking these freaks give a fuck about being hypocrites.

Same

Trump has actually speeded up the process through executive orders

The left and right really need to understand priorities.

It's fine to disagree on culture war bullshit, but let's put our differences aside and focus on the common enemy *first.*

Luigi Mangione has been the only thing uniting the left and right in the US. This is one of the few things that has managed to break through Fox News propaganda. Killing a legendary hero isn’t the win the GOP thinks it is.

Saint Luigi Mangione

Have you seen how long it takes someone to get through death row? If convicted, he will sit for 20 years. Far far beyond the current political discourse.

If he gets convicted, that will be a stink for a while. But by the time they kill him, he will be a distant memory.

Martyrs die when the timing is optimal. If it isnt the right time, they are just a name on a gravestone. And we have plenty of those.

You want martyrs??

I mean, yeah that'd be cool. What else do we have at this point

No, you swear an oath to answer honestly during the jury selection process. The lawyers will ask if you have any moral or ethical concerns that would prevent you from convicting the accused - ie you would be willing to engage in jury nullification. If you say no, but you actually do intend to nullify, then you lied under oath and could be found guilty of perjury at that point.

Sure, whatever, but lying under oath during the jury selection process is a crime called perjury. Morale correctness aside, I'm just trying to keep folks out of jail my dude.

Well at least now I know it's effectively illegal for me to be on a jury for the rest of my life. So that's cool.

No, they usually ask something like "Do you have any personal beliefs that would prevent you from returning a guilty verdict involved with this type of crime?" - seriously yall, this shit isn't hard to look up and is usually posted right alongside explanations for what jury nullification is. Frankly, I doubt anyone reading this is rich enough to pull the "you didn't specifically ask about jury nullification therefore I technically did not commit perjury"-card.

Now you're asking them to commit perjury - which is also bad.

Only if they get caught and punished for it. Laws exist to discourage bad behavior, which lying in service of justice isn't, so in this case breaking the law is the morally correct thing to do.

Like shooting a billionaire or the CEO of a predatory corporation.

Now your asking them to commit perjury

Only if they specifically ask "do you know about jury nullification?"

Wait. They have to swear an oath that they don't know shit about the legal system?

Now you're asking them to commit perjury - which is also bad. (In case anyone reads this and decides to try their best poker face)

Then they'll need the knowledge and a decent poker face 🤷

Thats why ***EVERYONE*** needs to know it. You can't disqualify everyone.

You know they'll disqualify anyone who might even hint at knowledge of jury nullification from the jury pool. They'll be selected on their ability to convict solely.

So sorry, I hadn't realized you have oxygen deprivation from breathing through your anus.

Ah, so the monobrow photo is *after* the security cam photos. How interesting that you tried to avoid telling me this the first time around.

Oh I apologize, sometimes its hard to see when things are pointed out for you.



Ah yes, the "different nose" which is mostly obscured in the top photos and has a giant red circle covering it in the bottom photo.

Right After he grew his brows out and got a tan and a different nose.

I agree with this assessment.

I cannot convict because I do not believe this person is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

Yup, they got the wrong guy.

Wow. There's a huge disparity between the brows on those two. No matter how blurry the first pics are, the thickness of Luigi's brows would be noticeable. The person in that camera footage definitely doesn't have thick eyebrows like Luigi :/

What's this?

Spot the monobrow?

When was the bottom photo taken?


We are dumb and crazy a bad mix.

It’s a monarchy really

Yes, this is actually a much more helpful way to think about Trump's approach to presidency. Here is Dr David Smith from the United States Studies Centre explaining this in a recent episode of PEP (excellent in-depth American politics podcast from Australia).

No, it's just that the south hates everything about the rest of America, and have done since we took their slaves away

They support anything that hurts everyone else, or as they call it: 'Owning the libs'.

I mean, this really isn’t new for us.

It’s a monarchy really

All nations are, when you get down to it.

Agreed. Biden LOVED bloodying his hands.

The first part? Abso-fucking-lutely.

Shocked is a strange way to say excited

This was a high profile case that was all over the news for weeks. And frankly it looks like a slam dunk for the prosecution. The Biden Justice Department absolutely would've brought federal charges.

Not sure how you figure that. Trump is not exactly hands off with the Justice Department.

Democrats and Republicans alike banded against Luigi. It’s Citizens United talking.

The previous administration probably wouldn't take on a random murder case just because the victim was rich.

Can you imagine Merrick Garland saying this?

Luigi Mangione's murder of Brian Thompson — an innocent man and father of two young children — was a premeditated, cold-blooded assassination that shocked America,"

"After careful consideration, I have directed federal prosecutors to seek the death penalty in this case as we carry out President Trump's agenda to stop violent crime and Make America Safe Again."

The administration doesn't have anything to do with this.

This should like… just not be a rule though

Eh it's issues with l.w mods being overall cowards.

This should like... just not be a rule though. Why can't we wish for violence against evil people? Who is coming after the Lemmy instances if users wish for violence against evil people? It's not like we're actively organizing simply by saying we like imagining healthcare CEOs having their brains removed via bullet. And boy how do I!

Or the victim had a run in with the actual clients who now frame the left for it and kill two birds with one stone that way.

*Tinfoil hat off*

Then may the true assassin do some more good work out there and clear his name...

Honestly we shouldn't discount the possibility that Luigi is innocent or that there was planted evidence

Works for me. I'm over wasting my time on platforms where I'm not allowed to praise the great man Luigi for his wonderful deeds and wish for more like them. Because that's how I honestly feel and I won't apologize for it! I can't hide who I am anymore.

Edit: whoops. Wrong thread but same idea. Hah.

I mean they'll maybe ban you lol

Think of the lemmy.world mods!!!!

>How about if observation is just the initial way to way to sell the drone cloud? Depending on how cheap you can make them, there's an argument to made for reducing time-to-intercept for low-speed aerial objects. If you're content to prioritize executive safety over public saftey, there's a lot that can be done.

This isn't something I've ever considered, I hate it! 🤣 Essentially a light weight, personal, iron dome. Considering the great lengths Putin goes through to protect himself from his own military, I could see the mango and friends doing this.

Hell imagine if they made the drone cloud then took Israel's "Gospel", slapped that into them and create a full blown Big brother. Sure it just recommends targets now, but with more training from two fascist states it could become something much worse.

I hate this timeline.

That's fair, there's other angles of observation made available already.

Seeing as you like speculating about cyberpunk, how about if observation is just the initial way to way to sell the drone cloud? Depending on how cheap you can make them, there's an argument to made for reducing time-to-intercept for low-speed aerial objects.

If you've got a bunch of drones overhead already, you could run one in to the path of a kamikaze drone, or if your swarm is even lightly armed, you can extend engagement range and reduce required accuracy with a single buckshot shell to shoot an offending drone down.

If you're content to prioritize executive safety over public saftey, there's a lot that can be done.

Drone displays terrify me.

Maybe, but honestly there isn't too much a need for them to thanks to the existence of things like TLO. Maybe for surveillance over less developed areas?

Idk I'm not happy about any of this but it's interesting to speculate what a modern day cyberpunk is going to look like.

Not to mention, the minute it happens, the government will carpet the skies with observation drones in the name of safety

I feel with that interpretation, any weapon is politically agnostic. Which I'd agree with given the use of firearms by far right extremists to shoot up Walmarts, clubs, and churches. They've already been using weapons against their "adversaries" like the domestic terrorists they are.

But agreed, I'm not actually excited about it. The premise is horrifying. I do hope the good guys pull the trigger first on this one. It's, in my opinion, the logical next step.

I kind of hope that will have the bonus effect of making the ownership class ease up on return-to-office. Sure, have your executive meeting in-person. Oh shit, someone flew a drone in and it exploded, shooting nails everywhere and killing half the c-suite? Shit. Anyway. We'll be working from home until at least they clear the blood out of the carpets.

(Though realistically, they'd make workers go in physically while being remote themselves. But maybe someone will bomb their house. No mercy for the ultra-rich.)

Drone warfare is politically agnostic. If it can be used by a Luigi against a healthcare CEO, it can be used by far-right extremists against progressive politicians, pride parades, or Black churches. I'm not very jazzed to live in the world of Slaughterbots.

I haven’t heard anything about people buying drones. The gun ranges have been packed though.

*maybe*

*We are granted the privilege of surviving in it

Ftfy

I'm still waiting for people to get mad enough to use drones for political violence. Like shit, Ukraine can make an effective FPV for like 50 USD from what I've seen

Imagine if Luigi dropped a grenade on this dude while just sitting in Central Park.

It's gonna be a good time.

Oh, we're not supposed to condone violence against monsters who hurt others for greed here either? Well, dang. What if I do though?

Technically it’s not a rule of Lemmy but the instance rules that forbid this.

We are indeed owned by the billionaire class. It’s their country. We live in it.

Evidently this researcher found that peaceful resistance movements have been more successful in bringing democratic governments in their nations against tyranny than violent ones that usually instilled more extreme governments.

https://youtu.be/YJSehRlU34w

Obligatory, I do not condone violence per lemmys rules, or whatever.

Agreed. This might be the only method to save us. Rule of law doesn't work, we are owned by the billionaire class. Bring out the guillotines for these bootlickers. Might be the only way we get free.

Free Luigi.

Fuck this aryan Pam bondi cunt and these prosecutors.

Storm the Bastille

Best way to honor Luigi would be to keep killing rich people.

It needs to become a tiktok trend.

That’s neither a funny joke nor a serious idea of any worth.

Bizzare. Americans are seriously crazy. It's a monarchy really, it's so in your face, like a bad comedy.

But what if he runs for office? Then he can't be convicted, right?

Maybe we should put the prosecutors to death instead.

https://beyondcourts.org/sites/default/files/2022-07/Jury-Nullification-Toolkit-English_0.pdf

Everyone should read about jury nullification and spread it everywhere.

You want martyrs?? 'Cause that's how you get martyrs!


I would love to be a juror in this case.

Evidently Pam Bondi has financial lobbyist interests for the GEO group.

They own a bunch of private prisons and mental health facilities.

I wonder if we could get creative to bring down the profits of this group in retaliation of her idiotic direction.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/GEO_Group

Nullify.

This administration is too stupid to realize they’re sitting on a powder keg? By all means light the match…..let’s see what happens

That's seems pretty damn ballsy of them since unless they are extremely confident in the jury selection it's practically guaranteed to result in a hung jury if they know that finding him guilty will result in the most severe verdict.

They can’t even prove he did it

They wanna make martyrs now?

Even if the actual killer stuck again, hitting another CEO and then confessed on live TV for both murders, people would still think (and I can say the name here) that Luigi is guilty.

Y'all are mental across the pond

Not at all surprising and it wouldn't have been any different under the last administration. From the whole "rule of law" perspective you can't really not go after somebody who committed premeditated murder on film just because his target was someone that people didn't like. What the jurors decide to do is a whole different can of worms (although if you ask me to make a prediction, I think they most likely find him guilty).

They are going to give him a laptop, right?!?

The state wants to keep its monopoly on violence.

There’s a guy who killed 23 people in a Walmart in El Passo in 2022. Got charged with hate crimes on account of…he’s openly racist and said that’s why he did it.

That guy just got a plea deal to avoid the death penalty.

Nobody should identify the criminal justice system in America as anything else but a mechanism for protecting the rich.

Seems very short-sighted on their part. They’ve made the penalty for taking out 1 the same as taking out 100. They’ve also highlighted the disparity between punishments for crimes against average people vs the rich and powerful.

Oh hell no

Can't wait to passively observe this so go down.

Trumps agenda? Hah.