‘Not going back’: Ford will cancel Starlink-Ontario deal even if tariffs are lifted

Isn't that just competition?

No no no, we only call it competition when it benefits the in-group

>They “harmed” other economies by undercutting them.

Isn't that just competition? It's providing a better deal for customers. That should be seen as a good thing.

The opposite would be colluding on prices like a cartel.

If the "other economies" want to compete, the business owners should have to lower their prices and take less profit as a result. Again, this is a win for customers because we're not on the same side as the businesses selling us things.

It really is a backwards world, lol. I genuinely believe it's because so many people have gotten raw deals but don't want to acknowledge they've been taken for a ride.

It's easier to fool them than to convince them they've been fooled.

The same way anything can be considered a weapon. They "harmed" other economies by undercutting them.

I don't necessarily agree that that behavior is harmful, but that is the reasoning behind calling it a weapon

How did China weaponize trade?

Seems to me like they just provide better deals because they're willing to do the same or better quality work for less than their Western counterparts.

With a stable partner, I’d say you are correct.

However if your partner is willing to weaponize that interdependency then the calculation changes.

China weaponized trade and used wolf warrior diplomacy during Covid in an attempt to gain influence. Russia weaponized energy with Europe. Now Trump is having the US do the same for “reasons” with Canada.

You’d think we would learn there is more up side to cooperation than conflict but here we are again.

In an isolated system, free from external dipshits sure.

Cross country trade scales the economy way better than doing things locally though

Excellent. Best to deal with local industries than loco ones.

It's true.

Lots of high-profile douchebags in the world today.

There's enough insults for everyone to have their own. The Premier of Western Australia said JD Vance is a knob and everyone seemed to agree. 😂

>Doug Ford is the world’s biggest douche.

Interesting choice of words given this world has Trump and Musk, amongst others …

Fight douches with douches

Or is stranded there on a H1B visa. Musk likes them both fanatical and vulnerable.

Don't. The tech world has been aware that Musk is a piece of shit for more than a decade.

Anyone working for a Musk company approves of his craziness.

Eh, idk. I'm sure there's smart people doing cool things at Starlink, but the actual product itself is basically a brute force approach to Internet access with a ton of downsides

He thinks it’s crusader kings 3

If you're into that kind of fake tit, dead in the eyes kinda thing...which I'm not.

Boebert is the shadow land version of AOC. My apologies to Naomi Klein.

She looks like a washed up, third rate, porn star. Probably because she was pulled off some white trash casting website.

I wish that was a joke.

I mean she is not unattractive, until she speaks.

I hate to admit this, but I bet “that congressperson who gave her affair partner a sloppy handy at a children’s show” would also have worked.

For reference, she and a man (not her husband, but a man she was there with) were kicked out of a local production of the stage musical “Beetlejuice”. She initially claimed it was because she was singing along with the musical, but footage later surfaced that showed she was giving him a handy in the middle of the audience.

Know all of the panic about children at drag shows? Yeah, every single accusation from conservatives is a confession.

Id hate fuck the hell out of her just like Ann Coulter decades ago

Lmao! I hate to admit this, but I bet "hot" would have worked as well.

Yeah, i was gonna say pp is canada trump, but on further reflection pp is more akin to mike Johnson. I guess marlaina Smith is a combo of mtg and bobo. Side note i forgot bobos name and looked it up.



Believe it. Sure, that may not be the only purpose of sowing this chaos, but it's a nice side gig for the billionaires who scooped up stocks on Monday and Tuesday while they were "on sale".

>Just like all these tariffs they are so fast to impose and then AFTER THINKING ABOUT SHIT want to start rolling it all back

Honestly, I've started to believe that this is being done on purpose to manipulate markets so they and their buddies can loot us all some more.

I canceled my starlink after his nazi salutes, I hope a bunch more follow suit, then it could be a lot more lost reoccurring revenue for old Moscow musk

You should be looking relative to Starlink’s total wealth rather than Musk, as something like Tesla is irrelevant regarding the contract.

Ah see, Im an idiot, and got star link and spacex mixed up.

Nothing will ever be as cheap as starlink until another launch provider has a reusable first stage rocket. For rural people starlink is competitively priced, but for anyone who doesn't need it, they think it's crazy expensive.

Now make that 50% or more for a similar service until they can fully launch on a reusable rocket. It'll be hard for anyone to get a foothold without taking big losses, or taking the anyone but Musk business.

Yeah I used one on rental while camping and I have to say it was great. I hear some European alternatives are coming, looking forward to them, hopefully they also work out ways to do it that doesn't involve as much space pollution.

From a consumer perspective it's a good solution for internet in remote areas and Ontario has a lot of remote areas. I used it for a couple of years when my only other option was a local wireless provider with an expensive high speed plan with advertised downloads up to 10Mbps, but actually never got anywhere near that. I'm lucky that I now have fibre and my starlink hardware is collecting dust in the shed.

Ontario is a massive province and rural internet outside of a handful of areas is terrible. Satellite, esp. good, consistent satellite, is a godsend for those areas -- no one is running fiber out to a town of only 2000 bodies that's highly isolated.

It was a reasonable choice, assuming Musk was mostly sane and not onboard with MAGA.

Thanks bud. it's not our first rodeo, we're used to the smell of bullshit.

Still, you know, when it actually gets on you it stains things.

Fords an absolute asshole,

and he is OUR asshole, for now (no telling if/when he will flip-flop, let's hope he sticks to it)

His brother was addicted to crack when he was the mayor of Toronto and then died from cancer, so that's pretty interesting.

What's also kind of interesting is that the current mayor of Toronto is Olivia Chow, whose husband also died of cancer and was the late, great Jack Layton, who is very worth reading about.

https://globalnews.ca/news/10825146/toronto-bike-lane-removal-plan-doug-ford/

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/401-tunnel-cost-1.7464404

The guy's an idiot. And completely carbrained.

That’s one way to put it.

I'll try to stay up to date with what this guy says, he seems interesting.

Only thing I knew about him before all of this was him trying to get rid of all bike lanes in Quebec (probably a bit of an exaggeration, but he's actively trying to make it harder to use transportation that's not a car with reasons that boil down to feelings, so, not a lot of respect for him outside how he's handling the tariff threats)

Arguably not, since his platform before the tariff threat was basically to privatize the shit out of everything and screw the average Ontario taxpayer out of healthcare.

He was all about the oligarchy until they burned him. Nothing conservative about being spurned and pushing back.

It's simply that this is a Canada vs the US thing, not a left vs right thing.

Ford is a meat-headed bully, which just happens to come in handy against another meat-headed bully.

Well, somehow he is doing his part about being "conservative".

Nope. Late forties desk jockey. I ain’t throwing anybody anywhere.

I'm guessing you aren't Tom Stoltman

He could actually be patriotic for all I know but he has tried to enrich himself and his buddies at the expense of the public before so I trust him about as far as I could throw him.

Not really, he was already insanely popular before this. Just won a third majority a week ago, which is unheard of in Ontario politics. It's more that he knows how to connect with people and the electorate is very gullible / willing to turn a blind eye.

With all this recent goodwill he'll probably end up being our prime minister at some point *shudder*

No, I think he's just not the kind of corrupt that is trying to burn his own country down.

His country/position are his meal ticket, so he wants to keep the status quo.

Funny, because him and his brother were in the illegal drug business.

Hey there I look like a cop and there's not much I can do about it as a bald white guy. I hate it actually. I walked into a head shop recently and was greeted "Hello Officer".

He also looks like a cop and I don't trust like that.

Doug Ford does not have principles. He's in the right on this one, this time, but was actively trying to convince his base he was a Canadian Trump until the tariffs looked to annihilate his province financially.

As someone else said, "broken clock moment"

Oh. Then it looks like he is trying to clean his image or something.

Even conservatives have principles, at least they used to, getting less and less popular with that crowd though. Centrist liberals however refuse to have principles because "that's taking sides."

He’s a Conservative douchebag in general.

Hahahahaha no, this is one of the very few odd times that I agree with him.

That being said, I come from one of the orangest (NDP), most union-ey provinces, Manitoba, so I'm a bit biased.

From what I've understood he's a conservative populist. So interpret that however you want.

That's fine. The courts will just toss it.

Doesn't matter, Musk will sue anyway.

Might not. I assume there's some sort of penalty clause built into the contract, so there shouldn't be much to sue about unless Ford tries to find a way to not pay that penalty.

Yeah, but none of that shit applies to you when you have that much money. Dude could literally just build his own lab and hire chemists, like Gus Fring in Breaking Bad.

I think what you are seeing publicly is his "microdoses". His friends have said that he "microdoses daily, and macrodoses at parties" when referring to his ketamine use.

But yeah, IDK the economics of the ketamine trade. Although I somehow doubt he is getting it from doctors based off when these stories first came out, his affinity and constant use of the substance, and it's availability. In prescription form it's a new drug that's closely being watched.

Sounds like some really shit quality K

..... I'll see myself out

Imagine how much power his ketamine dealer has

Holy shit I never thought of that before.

A movie would be made about him.

Dude I know... I imagine he gets it from a doctor probably. Though if it's like a Matthew Perry situation, he might need multiple sources if the doctor refuses to give him more than x amount. However, being a billionaire might just make all of that moot... Also, if he was doing the heroic doses Perry was doing, he wouldn't even be able to sit up, let alone stand or speak. He would be in a permanent k-hole (and we would probably be better off).

Anyway, I have thought about this, and all it would take is such a small amount of fentanyl. Do the world a favor.

What incredible news that would be to wake up to.

Imagine how much power his ketamine dealer has... One spiked bag could change America.

Its not really blackmail if nothing you do will change their mind. I'd just call it revenge.

Fords an absolute asshole, and this is a stopped clock situation. But let’s take the win. This is a policy change in the right direction.

From a southern neighbor: sorry about the smell and the noise. We are busy shitting the bed, and we’re just getting started.

Good. We Canadians should stop relying on the US. Time to focus on local industries.

Oooh Trump’s gonna get in a fight with Canadian Trump! Get some popcorn y’all!

This is the right thing to do. Make responses permanent, otherwise trump will just continue his idiotic game of bouncing back and forth.

Feel bad for the people at Starlink. I can imagine a few astro-nerds really enjoying their work there and then some moldy bigwig rich guy thinking the world is his sims 4 just fuckes you with tweeting.

Doug Ford is the world's biggest douche.

But this is how you get Musk to behave.

This is absolutely the right decision.

It's frustrating that $100 million is only about 0.028760% of Elon Musk's total wealth ($347.7 billion). Let's hope more people abandon his failing companies and that other governments and big clients follow Fords lead.

Yeah “Oh well.” But then he cries like a baby who didn’t get a piggy back ride, and starts to sue people who won’t do business with his companies.

Just like all these people he’s paying off and then two days later realizes he made a mistake and wants to hire them back. Just like all these tariffs they are so fast to impose and then AFTER THINKING ABOUT SHIT want to start rolling it all back. These people are legit dumb as fuck.

The name Ford making Elon cry again

Good. Should cut ties with that asshole. He is constantly pitching ideas that are not that great on their own and can only be accomplished with subsidies.

And all this tariff threat should have repercussions. Can't keep going back and forth, back and forth without saying enough.

I say this as an American who is disgusted with how this administration is treating our closest friends and allies.

Why tf we doing starlink deals with that fucking idiot in the first place?

EU citizen here, I see that Premier Doug Ford is doing good stuff, it is a good political figure in general?

Build your own starlink type system like the rest of the world is doing.

Hope Ford has some good lawyers on retainer... this is probably gonna get ugly, lol