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How old is this map? I can't see a date. Most Armenians left Nagorno-Karabakh after it was occopied by Azerbaijan in 2023: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Azerbaijani_offensive_in_Nagorno-Karabakh

The area had a population of 150 000, more than 100 000 armenians left. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_of_Nagorno-Karabakh_Armenians

Wrong title, it should be:

A Map of the world showing where the local time zone is wrong **more than half hours**

An hour is a human concept, we just divided the day to 24 parts, we could use whatever else division. Local time is correct only on the center longitude, which is a line with zero thickness.

Also it's clearly visible that France and Spain are in the wrong time zone, and it was changed by the Nazis. Before WW2 France and Spain was in the same zone as Britain. France changed because of the German occupation, and they forgot to change back after the war.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aravalli_Range

We could standadize measurements more than 100 of years ago with the metric system, we can also do this with time and date. ISO 8601 is the future old man.

About that map I didn't search too much for it, if you find a better map it could be a nice new post in this community.

Well, that's the ISO standard, so if you think otherwise, you are wrong :)

[D] is the weekday number, from 1 through 7, beginning with Monday and ending with Sunday.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_8601#Week_dates

Actually some of the former British colonies and most of the Americas start the week on Sunday, Muslim World start on Saturday, Maldives on Friday, rest of the planet follows the standard.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Week#/media/File:First_Day_of_Week_World_Map.svg

!https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e2/First_Day_of_Week_World_Map.svg/2754px-First_Day_of_Week_World_Map.svg.png

IMO people would figure it out and life would go on.

This whole thread is about how it can be solved or not. Also they would oppose such a change, and we are speaking about millions of people. Would you tell them: "Oh, this system is terrible for you but a bit more convenient for us, so we will change, and you will figure it out"

One way to solve it that they use a different point for day change, but we are back to the root again, as at some points on the planet they will have a different date, or we can call it a different time zone....

I don’t really see the argument about people waking up at different times.

The point is that you get the same problem as with the current system, and abolishing the time zones won't solve issues like that. People will still live according to their solar day, and if you want to call someone on the other side of globe you still have to look up when are their working hour, aka their "time zone"... So abolishment of time zones were not successful, they are just called differently...

Do not ask for the time zone, ask for the city. Than use a tool for the task. People are stupid, and they don't necessarily know the name of their time zone, even during DST.

I used website this before, you just type the city names and it will show you which time is good for which participant: https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meeting.html But I'm pretty sure a lot other websites exist to solve this.

The problem in your story was not time zones, but you didn't use the correct tool for the task.

Why is it a mess? I know from a programmer's point of view it is, I've seen the Tom Scott video a lot of times, but for average people it doesn't really matter.

Update to the video: they decided that they won't add a new leap second at least until 2035, and there are plans to switch to leap minutes instead, and sync to the astronomical clock once every century only.

Where it matters, e.g. international flight, they already use UTC for everything. How they solve this problem behind the scenes shouldn't affect the everyday lives of people. Computers use binary but we still use decimal system and noone want to change the numbering system. In a lot of places people use 12 hour clock in speech, but 24 hour in written form, and noone has problem with that. I don't understand why we should change it just because of the laziness of some programmers.

Currently if I want to call someone in Japan, or Australia I already cant say I will call you tomorrow afternoon, because its already tomorrow when I get up.

Yes, but these kind of long distance calls affect only a handful of people. A best before date on a food packaging or a lot of other situations where only the day is given from a date would become more complex for a lot of places, and they would affect the life of far more people.

At what time the date changes from Wednesday to Thursday? At 0:00 UTC? Ask someone in Hawaii if they would like to use different day at the morning than at the evening. "I will call you tomorrow" does it mean today afternoon, or tomorrow morning? etc.

It was recommended multiple times in history, the problem is that it doesn't really solve any problems, just moves the problems elsewhere:

• At some parts of the world "midnight" (the time when the day changes) will be during the "day". Would you like that you have to use a different calendar date at the morning and at the evening? It also makes much harder to check if something happened one or 2 days ago by simply checking the date, you would have to know the new UTC time as well

• You still would have to know how far they are from you to set up an international call. Some people wake up at 2:00 UTC, some wake up at 16:00 UTC. So actually nothing solved, but you have to use different numbers instead of time zone names.

• Time in China works like that, you can already see how it's going there. Full of China is one time zone, on its western border if you would cross to Afghanistan you would have to set your clock 4 and half hours backward. In Xinjiang solar noon is around 15:00 (3 pm). How people live like this? They simply use different timetables, 9-5 job is something like 11-7. So even it doesn't have a separate time zone people live like they would have a separate time zone.

• Swatch Internet Time was a well known example of this in the late 90s, you can read the general problems with it on wiki

Who debated that. Historically, culturally Russia is European. Most of the population of Russia lives on the western side of the Urals.

But using it as a good example of elections, well... In the US you can choose from 2 candidates. In russia you can select from 1...

In most of the countries of the World elections are on Sunday and Saturday for this exact reason, US could change to weekend voting days as well:


Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/46ukem/so_camerons_eu_referendum_is_on_a_thursday_which/

Amazon's discharge is not big because of the mountains, but it flows around the equator, where the rain never stops.

The upper section in the Andes it's called Apurímac. Just see the images on wiki, it's not very wide while leaving the mountains, it gets most of its water downstream

These kind of relief maps are called "exaggerated", the vertical scale is different from horizontal. If you would zoom in and look from a closer birds eye like view, mountains would look really unrealistic.

Example from r*ddit:

!https://i.redd.it/q94c7pqvmhk91.jpg

*Alea iacta est* - *The die is cast* - said Iulius Caeser after he crossed the **Rubicon** river. Usually Roman dice were **cube**s.

Unrelated to this event, roughly 2000 years later a guy named Ernő **Rubik** invented his **cube**