u/inamorta345 — porompopmpom

It's not peace when you have a gun over your head.

You said I have a flat in Moscow because I don't agree with your opinion. You throw terms like "false equivalency" hoping it sticks. I was talking about peace and you talk about counter invasion, not sure what the point in that is. Russia started the war so let's invade them and show them is not very productive or reasonable. We seem to have diametrically opposed opinions on war in general.

I want people to stop dying for pointless wars from which they have nothing to gain

In the comment you responded to, I said I agree, it's easier to negotiate from a position of power. What's the plan afterwards? Everyone keeps saying that we need power to be able to negotiate, and I keep agreeing, and saying that there is no plan for later, and this is what I am worried about. I'm really interested in an answer for this question, but I just keep getting the same argument, which I'm not even opposed to.

I do not have a concrete proposition, and I don't think it's reasonable to ask it of me or anyone here. I'm just a random person. But neither does the EU, USA or anyone for that matter. That's exactly my point, there are no measures taken for a solution by anyone. It's a race to power, which, just as appeasements, never work.

People nowadays hear the word diplomacy and immediately think it's treason. Has there ever been a war where the enemy is not being portrayed as the greatest evil, whether it is or isn't true. Both sides will claim that for their enemies. With that logic there would never be any diplomacy anywhere. Of course, I have to make the disclaimer, Putin is the aggressor. Putin is the worse of the two sides. There is no question about it. That doesn't mean we are good, or will be, if we have the military power. We'll still be relying on the whim of a few people, just friendlier as they will be from "our" side.

This is the time to stand up against every empire, not just Russia or US but the irony is that Europe might become an empire again in the process.>

That's the point, isn't it? We're just happy that it might be EU who "wins" because we live here and will feel safer.

I agree, I just don't believe there is a negotiation plan. I think the "plan" is to keep the enemy in line with superior military power. Good short term, not really solving anything long term.

I never said lay down arms. I just said that there is no plan for deescalation.

I'm happy to hear of a plan, I might be unaware.

Also, I get that people disagree. That's fine. But at least disagree with something I actually said.

It's not that I don't understand the logic. It's that I don't believe scare tactics lead to peace. I agree that short term I it might scare of Putin, and that's obviously good, but it's a bandaid, not a solution, and one that, IMHO, is not easy to get away from.

Also, I find it sad that whenever someone mentions peace he gets ratioed and called a Putin apologist (not here but I see it a lot).

It is possible to want peace and still be against Putin. I get that it's a sensitive topic and intense times, but we just keep alienating and polarizing more and more people. We need a better approach.

I'm all for supporting local markets, but in the grand scheme I find it a bit pointless, when there's absolutely no plan or intention from anyone to deescalate the situation. I guess that's the point, so big bucks can be made, but I can't help being a romantic and hoping for long term peace