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Something can be overpriced and the company can still be losing money on it. How much profit the company making it makes is entirely irrelevant to the usability for the end consumer.

If they made a bunch of poor choices that made the cost of the product go up that doesn’t change the fact that I could’ve gotten more for my money from a better designed product. Like they could make the entire chassis a solid copper cube and that could cost say $1000 alone. And it could cool like shit. If they did then this $2k copper steam machine would be extremely overpriced.

The PC won’t be the same size. Or have CEC.

Side note: Seriously how the fuck do normal ass PCs not support CEC?

I mean you could have made your comment about that and not “lol I hope your $1k cube breaks.”

4k60fps gaming, but limiting basically everything by default to only 1080p is basically false advertising.

How many people on lemmy don’t have something of their own PC?

The steam machine is based on RDNA 3 aka the RX 7000 series, and we knew it was heavily underclocked. Even thinking about the 9060 xt was a lofty expectation.

You're still paying the premium for getting a low power parts in a small form factor. At half the price it's a lot easier to justify to someone who doesn't really care. But at almost twice the price that FPS per dollar difference is a lot higher.

This random ass power spec computer is going to kick the shit out of the steam machine. Again if size isn't a concern. And I'm sure actual oems have smaller pcs with less compromised performance.

Obviously, no shit. I never meant to imply that this was targeted at me. But I know multiple people who already have a high end computer who would also like this for their living room.

If it was $600 like I'd originally hoped I'd be interested. I wasn't going to get one day 1, but I'd have picked one up once they're consistently in stock. But $1000 for mid specs is rough for anyone. Just like the steam controller, Valve has made another hyper niche device.

That was before the RAM shortage. It's going to be at least 1 full year before RAM price start going down and they can offer discounts. Unless the AI bubble pops. And that'll have huge economic consequences.

The frame sure aint gonna be cheap hardware. 0% chance it can match the quest in price. But since it doesn't need as much storage I'm hoping it'll be 700-800. But I wouldn't blink if it's $1000. Valve just doesn't have the economies of scale Meta will.

Same for me. I was expecting like $1200 for the base model which nobody should pay that much for such middling specs.

But still $1k is way more than I'd pay for an HTPC. I'd much rather the steam link approach and use streaming to my already nice and powerful desktop. I guess this is a nice thing to point newbies who want a box that should "just work" and don't already have something and don't want to build.

The CPU being a few years old will definitely help. But Valve has nowhere near the economies of scale that Samsung does. And 16 gigs of ram in this economy? Valve has said that they don't intend to take a loss on their hardware.

Plus I remember seeing some articles like this where even Samsung was worried about not being able to make money off their phones.

With a snapdragon 8, and 16 gigs of ram it won’t be cheap. That’s for sure.

Does grub only allow one keyboard at a time by default?

It's not really a console at that point. The biggest upside to selling a fully complete out of the box experience is you've set the floor. Much like how the steam deck set the floor for handheld performance. People have one point of comparison, how does it compare to *the* steam machine. Not how does it compare to a steam machine.

I mean not everyone might want a controller either. If they’re fine with an Xbox controller (which would work just fine) why force them to buy another controller?

I came from an elite 2 too. I think I feel the same about the vibration motors. I think the OG 360s are worse than the steams, but the Elites honestly seem about perfect to me.

Also I haven’t measured it, but do the elites triggers feel much longer than the steam? I primarily use a controller to play FH5/motorsport and they feel shallower.

Yeah if you wanted to avoid 3rd party software then valve ain’t the company for you. Both the OG and the new controller need either steam input or 3rd party software.

SISR is kinda buggy for me. Until today any time I opened the program it would break my alt tab menu. Like it just never went away on its own, and explorer kept crashing. They also suggest having the controller connected before starting the program. Didn’t matter if the program was quit, once opened it bugged out windows. But randomly today I rebooted to fix the issue and it hasn’t happened since. Yay?

If you launch the game through steam you can use steam input to customize the controller. Otherwise it acts like an Xbox 360 controller that also happens to have a trackpad (or however you have it configured for desktop mode)

It does put it into gamepad mode, but that doesn't make it act as a normal xinput device.

I found a (kinda funky) program called SISR which forces steam to think it's always in a game and make it act like a normal joystick. It kinda breaks windows a bit, but at least it works and a reboot fixes windows.

Same. I had an OG controller a long time ago and HATED it and got rid of it. But like a year(?) before the new controller was announced I kinda wanted one again to play with. Not long after I found one at the thrift store and was IMMEDIETLY reminded how much I hate it. But I'm not going to get rid of it because it's a unique piece of tech. One I detest using, but unique and interesting.