u/frozenspinach

Exactly this. A lot of the stupidest political arguments, imo, are about playing fast and loose with completely different degrees of offense.

I think that's a low effort cheap shot but because there's sympathetic dogpiling voting patterns you get to evade criticism for doing the same thing.

Great point, Holodomor was fabricated by Hollywood on the same fake sets as the moon landing. There's literally no reasonable good faith charitable interpretation that could possibility be referencing a legitimate criticism. This elevates the quality of communication and is an indication of good faith participation in conversations sincerely directed at cultivating shared understanding.

Regardless of your opinion on the current war

"Other than that, how was the play?"

If Russia so wished, they could level Kyiv overnight

AKA the "Jeffrey Dahmer could have been worse" argument lol

Relevant SMBC:

>Lawyer: Okay, let's say my client killed his wife. What about the people he didn't kill?! That's six billion people! Don't they matter? Don't they matter?!

>Caption: In an alternate universe, Jeffrey Dahmer has a thank you parade every year.

https://smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=299

>I don’t use it because I consider it trustworthy in and of itself, but because you probably do

Right but the source you cited was literally saying the exact opposite of what you claimed.

(crickets...)

>their proxy war

Meanwhile Russia did the war-war. I think you should do two posts about war-war accountability for every one post about proxy-war accountability.

Thankfully Russia has taken great care to avoid civilian deaths, which is why we thankfully never have to include it as context.

basic facts of the situation

I think it's more the selective emphasis than the 'basic facts'.

>its own

I'm trying my best to follow but where did "its own" come from here?

so basically what he’s saying is that he’ll cling on to power.

I find this to be a disingenuous framing. He clearly made that comment in service to the greater good of Ukraine, and I don't know how being the leader of a nation facing imperial domination and constant war and death is something anyone would want to 'cling' to other than out of a sense of duty to the people he is representing.

Commentators here seem to be missing the main point - Trump is simply responding positively to Zelensky’s offer.

I'm not sure I understand why you think that's the 'main' point, it sounds like you mean this was all at Ukraine's initiative. But I think the real story is that it has *traction* because, well, you need two sides to make a deal, and the game changer is Trump's affirmative interest, which escalates this from offer to mutual interest.

I hope the Russians get out of it as it has hurt them the most.