u/MigratingApe — MigratingApe

Thank you for reading and having an open mind. I just wish more commenters are like you.

Now you can see how Ukraine, using its popularity, can easily manipulate the perception of their country at the same time building negative narrative about this bad neighbor Poland that only wants to hurt their relations. What is their goal? To isolate Poland in international politics?

Sadly (or luckily?), Polish president-elect words, as quoted in this context, is not far-right nationalist rhetoric, it’s literally the opposite. Now you see how easy it is to misinterpret that (just look at other comments).

You can also see, with this historical context, what Putin meant saying his special military operation is for denazifiacation of Ukraine (but we are not that stupid to fall for this).

First of all, thank you for stopping for a second instead of blindly downvoting.

I have edited the link in my previous post. Is telegraph OK?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/06/08/ukraine-turns-on-poland-ww2-massacre-commemoration/

This is not an isolated incident, you will find more. Ukraine says that Poles are the ones destroying relations. This simply hurts. Poland’s help in the face of common enemy was unconditional. I have personally rented my flat for free to Ukrainian refugees. Two families with kids. Their kids had free access to Polish health and education system and even social benefits were granted on the same or even better rules as for Poles. This is not enough?

Ukraine is actively blocking exhumations of massacre casualties. Why?

This is why I read the most upvoted comment here that he was paid in rubbles as anti Polish propaganda, the same people who oppose Trump’s fascism support Ukrainian government without knowing their history and values that they try to build their national identity on, whose soldiers are fighting on the battlefield wearing Nazi insignias… How can this not be just plain emotionally hurting?

EDIT:

If you are interested, here is an article from 15 years ago when world was a different place, describing what Bandera did and why this topic is so fragile today.

https://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/02/world/europe/02history.html

Yeah shower me with downvotes. Read some history first, then check recent Ukrainian government outcry after recent polish parliament (governed by opposition to the new president) new legislation. Don’t you think something is not right here?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/06/08/ukraine-turns-on-poland-ww2-massacre-commemoration/

This is a problem which must be solved and not swiped under the rug as this can only cause destabilization and flammable relations potentially causing real serious conflicts between two EU an/or NATO members.

For as long as Ukraine is celebrating UPA and Bandera and ignores genocide performed on Poles, defying any attempts to repair relations with Poland, there is no place for them in the same institutions as Poland currently is.

hardened his stance on immigration, **calling for Ukrainian refugees’ benefits to be cut**.

Your perception of this statement is out of context. The context is, on two examples

1. Guaranteed minimal pension for foreigners require them to work legally in Poland for only one month. This is exploited by Ukrainians and at the same time Polish nationals have much stricter requirements, we feel discriminated in our own country.

2. Up to June 2025 the social program 500+ (now 800+) which is paid as support in raising a child, for each child, put no limits on eligibility for foreigners. Again exploited by Ukrainian families that quickly returned to their homeland.

Before the invasion there was also governmental support in form of partial mortgage repayment for people buying their first flat which again was exploited by Ukrainians buying their first flat… in Poland.

Our government has a track record of intentional fuckups in this regard, this is reflected in public mood towards social support for Ukrainians. This is not to stop helping Ukrainian refugees, this is manipulation. It is to stop treating Poles in their own country worse than foreigners.

This is what’s happening. Current president vetoes all changes and directs them to Constitutional Court held by judges assigned (unlawfully) by the current opposition party that then rules it is unconstitutional. Game over. In addition to all the pardons recently issued, nothing will change unless we elect a new president not connected to former ruling party (PiS) in any way.

So, other commenters who are very furious and obviously not from Poland should now reevaluate their reasons to be mad.

And the article might be an attempt to spin the narration away from currently evolving scandal concerning independent presidential candidate backed by the former ruling party (PiS, party of current president). Please be aware that we have elections very soon…

Thank you. And sorry for the dumbass that downvoted you (the guy just spend a few minutes of his life writing this, you do not have to agree with him to appreciate the effort…)

I said this in my other comment but in indirect way - I would love for some French lemmings to chime in and describe how they portray their president. Because what I see from the perspective of an outsider (but eu citizen) - he looks like a great leader with unmatched opportunity to became one due to his country strength and position.

I don’t know how much French like their president, but his recent efforts to reunite the EU and engagement in international affairs are at least admirable. I’m fine if it this in the end means billions for France’s military industry - hard to disagree with him…

Guy sounds bought. He’s claiming the progress has stopped and solution will never be found. That’s not what history teaches us.

This time one right side of the history. Let’s hope.

You do know, that Poland has been recorded to perform pushbacks on its borders?

Yes, I live here.

And now you can guess why people dont want to enter the country through official ways.

No, I don’t, it has nothing to do with pushbacks. Pushbacks were for those who were trying to cross the border illegally in the first place.

Also a lot of refugees dont want to seek asylum in Poland, but in other EU countries so entering through official ways might be suboptimal for them.

Suboptimal?! You know what, tell me your address. I will steal your car because earning money to buy myself my own is suboptimal for me. And maybe we also should provide free healthcare to poor Americans in Europe because them paying for their own is suboptimal for them.

Crossing a border of any EU country is synonymous with entering EU as a whole. Polish border is EU border.

disregards the situation those refugees

They have chosen to enter Belarus or Russia, they were given protection on Russian and Belarusian territory already, why not stay there if this is only about survival? They are no longer refugees when entering Poland, they are migrants and as such are no longer protected under the same rules. And this is what you are describing, choosing a destination country not to escape harm in the first place but to seek one with better social benefits. In this scenario I see no reason for them to forcefully enter EU illegally without following our laws: again, they were already allowed to enter Russian and/or Belarusian territory and have escaped the immediate threat if they really are refugees.

https://emergency.unhcr.org/sites/default/files/2023-05/UNHCR%2C%20Refugees%20and%20Migrants%20-%20Frequently%20Asked%20Questions%2C%20Aug%202018.pdf

Now, if we talk about Ukrainian refugees, I did not hear any of them complaining about pushbacks or being deported or about mines being deployed on our border. You know why? Because they are civilized people who know how to behave and how to properly cross a border.

And we provided help for almost a million of them.

Real refugees who try to come into the EU are welcomed to enter through designated border crossings.