u/ArcaneSlime

>special school for juvenile offenders.

Didn't I see an article on lemmy like *last week* that said "russia is sending people to special schools for juvenile offenders where they learn to fight the war and are brainwashed to want to" or something? I'm gonna guess this is one of those.

You're not you when you're Hungary, have a Snickers.

Huh, TIL, at one point it probably was.

But at one point people liked Kanye West, too, and then shit happened. Times have changed lol.

Tbf, sometimes I'm right there with em, I'm not above drunk ordering some dominos, or on the *rare* occasion I go to a mall I *may* hit the Sbarro (but the fake Chinese food wins every time, let's be real), but it's literally the same thing just more fresh and made to better specs! It's not even "real tacos V taco bell," it's such a close approximation of the "real" thing but lacking soul, whereas taco bell is so far from real tacos that it'd be more understandable to prefer the fake version. Like even Olive Garden V real italian I get, because it's americanized enough, but Sbarro is *not* far enough removed from real pizza as to necessitate this phenomenon.

I could understand getting Sbarro in *Chicago,* for those averse to deep dish, because it's a whole different style. I could understand some Chicago chain in NYC, for those who want deep dish. I could even understand Jets "detroit" style, because *that's* different too, but Sbarro in NYC is literally just "worse and more expensive version of the same thing you could have got in 20 different shops on your way here."

But fake NY pizza in NY? Just go to *literally any local.* It's not like a Sbarro in Kandahar, that I'd get, but this still makes no sense.

There's a fucking Sbarro in NYC? *Why?*

Tbf that's what everyone else does after a mass shooting, why *wouldn't* c/fuckcars do the exact same thing? I expected it myself, especially considering how fanatical that comm is.

I'm not saying it's *nothing,* just saying I think it's massively overstated.

I mean, no? Ok let's say you did cut off the internet, there's still radio. Shortwave still can reach spies in foreign countries with their numbers stations now, and then there's VHF/UHF at home etc. Snail mail still exists, so does ol' fashioned landlines for communication at least internally even if they cut undersea telcom cables, hell I'm pretty sure CDMA would still be running, this sets us back to like 1990 at most, especially if we take this threat seriously and start implementing non-internet based (or sat internet) fallbacks just in case standard comms go down *for a while* until a new cable can be lain.

Like don't get me wrong, we'd definitely feel the effects, but this isn't some kind of world dominating shit we're talking about here, it's just pretty inconvenient, especially if we already have alts in place as fallbacks so we don't have to scramble to set them up.

You know good and well she's not the only person saying things like "all men," though she may be the first I've seen say "only men." Why are you lying? I've been a male victim of female abusers since years ago by now, you think I don't remember each and every time someone has said "shut up and sit down we're not talking about you right now?" I've *lived* this shit, you can't tell *me* it isn't happening when it happens constantly. And racists are in the minority too, should I not call out *their* bullshit when I see that too or is that fine because that isn't a belief *you* hold?

*My* point is that signs like hers distract from the broader discussion *and that is why they should be actively discouraged even if they really don't care about us.* *Your* point is that *I'm* the problem for having feelings about *her* sign or for voicing my opinions on it. Well, I disagree. This is *exactly* where my opinion belongs, right in defiance of that bullshit wherever it presents itself.

I'm not the one shifting the focus, "always men" is. I'd be all about it if the sign simply said "Justice for Gisèle Pelicot" or something. She chose to make the sign, and the website chose to prominently feature it, be mad at *them.* That's what I'm mad at, *they* are the ones that are attempting to erase male victims not Gisèle Pelicot, hell I stand with her too, I'm not *just* about male victims I'm the one in here begging for women to actually include male victims in the anti-SA movement ffs!

And have been asking for it for years by the way, only to always be told "sit down shut up it isn't your time you're only 4% you must've liked it anyway you're lucky you got laid quit being a pussy and complaining," at every fucking turn.

Oh yes the ever ignored male rape victims who are indignant enough to speak up in the face of a sign like this aren't included in "the one's hurting" because you're literally ignoring their screams for help from the movement that is ignoring them almost harder than the rest of the world at large, by literally lumping male victims in with abusers and woman abusers in with victims, and then turning around and pretending *we're* the fucking problem for being mad about that.

It's not enough I have to be raped by two different women, I have to be treated like an inhuman unfeeling monster simply because I have a *wiener* while I watch my literal abusers be praised for being the *right* gender, and then when I say "hey maybe don't unfairly treat me as a pariah" I get told to sit down and shut up because "we're not talking about you right now?" Well guess what? We certainly are talking about me *now* whether you like it or not. I'm sick of it if I'm being perfectly honest and I'm not going to let people pretend I'm culpable for the actions of others any longer, nor will I let them silence me and excuse my abusers with signs like these.

Fucking THANK YOU! I've been wondering what the abbreviation was for since some dude offhandedly mentioned it in a comment above. I didn't want to have to figure out how to google all *that* lol.

Side note, however:

>Sadistic Septic Syphilic Sodomy Inside The Infected Maggot Infested Womb Of A Molested Nun Dying Under The Roof Of A Burning Church While A Priest Watches And Ejaculates In Immense Perverse Pleasure Over His First Fresh Fetus

>Christian music

>Its members rarely consider themselves Christians

I am now even more confused.

Basically yes. I see people who want it too often.

Right, which is bad, and should be called out, which is exactly what I'm doing, which you then come to defend. Face it, the fact that they are a totalitarian (your word) government jailing people for speech is made possible by the fact that they do not have freedom of speech, this is all my exact point.

While true, if people are getting locked up for what you and I agree is *not,* there is functionally no difference between "is and gets locked up" and "isn't but still gets locked up." See what I mean? *Saying* is one thing, legal action is another. If one *can* limit speech, "one" being the ruling class/party, then anything they decide to limit can therefore be legally limited and they can turn it like the above article. If the ruling class is instead limited themselves in their abilty to limit speech, yes nazis can say "jews bad because nonsense," and that sucks, but then you can also say "israel bad because genocide," even if the ruling class does not want you to.

Case in point, has anyone been arrested for this in America yet? Not that I'm aware of. And that isn't a bad thing.

And *this* is an example of why speech should not be criminalized, even hate speech, unfortunately. Perceptions of what counts as hate speech are subject to change with geopolitical issues that may or may not actually make said speech "hate speech." Today the nazis are antisemites, tomorrow any critic of Isreal's reaction to Hamas' terrorism in Oct is too. You don't have to like what they (hypothetical people) say but freedom of speech *is* important, short of actual calls to (violent) action themselves words should not be punishable by legal action. Fight them with *your* words, show others *your* way is better, but remember what you do to others can easily be turned back on you in short order.