French government to ban knife sales to minors after deadly school attack

Yeah I'm so surprised to learn under-18s can buy knives in France!! Or could, before this, I suppose. Fireworks, too?? 😂

I am more of a Tzeentch guy though, personally... 👀

I was commenting on the fact that it's a shame that people use tools like knives, that have other actual utilities, to hurt each other.

Do we really have to view them as such, or do only a few deranged individuals want us to? ("deranged individuals" explicitly and especially includes hysterical "security" politicians with ulterior motives)

Equally, I agree that it's a miserable state of affairs that we have to view knives as dangerous weapons rather than tools.

Yeah it makes sense, I do agree knifes should not be sold to children.

They're just looking to limit access from that one avenue. That's all. It's the same as booze; we don't sell booze to kids, even if it's fun to drink, and even tho they can get it plenty of other ways. It's just about limiting access.

Knifes are not only for cooking, and they are just fun to play around with, when I was a kid we built makeshift shelters in the forest near the town with knifes and hammer and even a saw.

The problem is not the knife, but the children not being property disciplined on how to use them. Restrictions on this common of an item will never work because even if you make the perfect system so no child can ever buy one, they will just get one from home or use a broken piece of glass.

There are a lot of dangerous things in our world, restricting the access to them is just impossible and frankly stupid.

When i was a child, we would always go to the south of france on vacation. That was also the place where i got all my mall ninja shit from. I wasn't used to stores or markets where you could just buy a machete and a butterfly knife as a 10 year old. Also fireworks. I completely understand the ban, and i still absolutely love some good knifes, it's just expensive knifes now.

They're just looking to stop kids going and buying knives they're obviously not going to use for cooking. It's not as ridiculous a statement as you're making out here, to be fair.

Right, yeah, they'll grab one as they head out the door. But they won't be able to just go and buy one.

There are a thousand legitimate reasons for young people to learn to use knives, under adult supervision. Adults who can buy knives.

Not sure I understand your criticism of me saying "booze and cigs" though, what's wrong with that? Lol

And, like “booze and cigs” (how American!), kids who need a knife will just grab one out of the kitchen as they head out the door.

There are a thousand legitimate reasons for young people to own and learn to use knives. Banning sales after one incident is a ridiculous overreaction that’s simply political posturing. I expect better of Europe

Presumably when they say they'll ban sales to minors, they don't mean they'll go and remove knives from kitchens. They mean they'll make cashiers check the age of customers they suspect might be under 18 when selling them a knife. The same as booze and cigs.

I assume most perpetrators of mass violence at schools don't fear death such that a death penalty would have any effect. I'd even argue that many perpetrators act out of suicidal ideation.

I don't think a knife is going to make your cooking worse.

@5714 @Drusas Obvioously but older people don't go to school. However, this whole blaming the weapon thing has gone too far. Need to start just putting the perpetrators to death and end this.

I also moved out at seventeen! And I did live without a kitchen knife for six months or so, too. I guess for me at seventeen it didn't matter so much.

Ignorant question: Isn't the knife making everything worse at 17 or any other age?

Do they propose to invade every home and remove knives from every kitchen? How will they enforce this?

US schools have been called “the finest minimum security prisons that money can buy” due to our obsession with access control, security screenings, book bag bans, etc. Look at how well that’s worked for us.

That will be rough for people like me who moved out on my own at 17. Also, a million things could be used as a weapon. Scissors? Screw driver (among many other tools)? This doesn't seem like a practical way of handling the problem.

Considering how many attacks include cars I think car sales should also be banned for everyone and fast. As far as we follow this logic.

Next time a child throws a rock at another will you ban rocks too?

Can Europe stop trying (and failing miserably) to compete with America's stupidity?

Where did the boy get the knife: from a store or his parents' kitchen?

That's just stupid declaration to please far right electorate. As a government, you cannot just do nothing when this happen. But, honestly, what can you really do in this specific case ? So you do some stupid declaration to please old and grumpy people, and in a few weeks, nobody will think about it.