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Israelis chant 'death to Arabs' in annual 'Dance of the Flags' march through Jerusalem

c/world · u/Pro@programming.dev · 250 points

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Thousands of Israeli nationalists took part in the controversial Jerusalem Day "Dance of the Flags".

The event is provocative to the Palestinian population, given it marks the anniversary of Israel seizing East Jerusalem and the Old City, and the group marches through the Muslim Quarter of the Old City.

Jerusalem's status is one of the most divisive issues in the discussion about a two-state solution, with both Israelis and Palestinians believing it is intrinsically linked to their identity.


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u/MummysLittleBloodSlut@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 6 points

We're all at least a little complicit, but if you attend and help organise rallies, write to politicians, and vote left wing, you're less complicit than the people who do nothing.

u/MummysLittleBloodSlut@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 points

Non-Hebrews don't need to be saved. You don't need to go to Gan Eden or Sheol if you're not Jewish. You can just go to Valhalla or Hades or Yomi or Xibalba instead.

u/mlg@lemmy.world · 5 points

I mean, it's still quite the elephant in the room that hasn't really been talked about.

Judaism is a restricted affair, you have to be born into it to be considered a part of the group that God has chosen to be saved. To them, almost everyone else is permanently non qualified, therefore they are not in the group. If you do want to convert, you have to jump through a bunch of hoops, and put up with a ritual of rejection until you're accepted. By definition it's an ethno-relegious group.

From that viewpoint, it's only a skip away from ethno-nationalism, which is what Zionism is.

Unlike Christianity and Islam which offer the ability to join, and actively convince you to join. (Also Hinduism, Buddhism, etc).

There are only about 15 million Jews compared to 2.6 billion Christian and 1.9 billion Muslims.

Food for thought.

u/magnetosphere@fedia.io · 5 points

Nobody has done more harm to the Jewish image in the past 80 years than Israel. I think religion is a joke anyway…

I’m with you on this part. Past that, let’s agree to disagree.

u/Lasherz12@lemmy.world · 26 points

Wanting freedom is now the same level of evil as genocide? This is your brain on propaganda.

u/Maalus@lemmy.world · 11 points

One of the sides has been genocided repeatedly since at least the XVIIIth century, and hint hint it's not Israel.

u/NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io · 30 points

>The Israelites and Arabs have been quarreling ever since they existed.

Yeah... no. The Muslim world was *the* most tolerant place of Jews in the world (well, the part of the world where Jews existed, anyway) until the 20th century. It wasn't all sunshine and rainbows don't get me wrong, but there was no "quarreling" between Muslims and Jews. In fact, it was Muslims who allowed Jews back into their holy land after the Romans had kicked them out.

u/mlg@lemmy.world · 14 points

Dawg it was called the Crusades because it was exclueivley Christian nations fighting with Muslim nations over Jerusalem. Jews were essentially bystanders who often opted for the Islamic empire where they were allowed to live and not be constantly slaughtered by their Christian empire counterparts.

Israel as a functioning idea was introduced by the zionist movement of the 20th century, which Orthodox jews still condemn to this day because they claim there should not be a Jewish state without their Messiah.

To add to even more irony, the modern successors to these empires being Britain and Turkey actually lost interest in control of the holy land because it didn't provide any substantial geopolitical power or resources. The Ottoman empire failed to protect it and lost the entirey of Trans Jordan in WWI, and Britain noped out right after WWII when they realized it could absolve them of having to provide for Jews in Europe.

u/SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world · 8 points

Germany was the one that wanted the ethnostate.

Hitler praised the ruthlessness of how the United States dominated the Native Americans.

The Zionist movement had always existed as an extremist sect of Judaism, but opportunisticly stepped up and pretended to be the voice of the Jewish people during the reperations from WW2. This, with the help of their NATO allies, led to the creation of modern day Isreal on what was Palestinian land.

u/Lyra_Lycan@lemmy.blahaj.zone · -13 points

Never forget the Nazi Party's regime of eradicating all minorities was inspired by the Europeans performing genocide on the indigenous people of what is now America. Of course, this is not exactly similar. The Israelites and Arabs have been quarreling ever since they existed. Over their fucking "holy land". Honestly it's like dragon sickness. Jews + Jerusalem = death and hostility to others.

u/lupusblackfur@lemmy.world · 56 points

So... It seems apparent the what Israeli Gov't Jews learnt from the Holocaust is:

"Do unto Muslims as has been done unto you."

But, of course, deny you're doing it during the entire time you're doing it. No one will hold you to account without a full-out global world war.

Methinks Israeli Gov't Jews learnt the wrong lesson from German Gov't Nazis. It wasn't meant as a "howto".

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u/b161@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 20 points

Israeli society is absolutely sick, and we are all complicit in this genocide to one degree or another.

u/BassTurd@lemmy.world · 11 points

Nobody has done more harm to the Jewish image in the past 80 years than Israel. I think religion is a joke anyway, but I certainly have no respect for the Jewish religion as a whole.

u/saltesc@lemmy.world · 4 points

I would guess these are the ones that still see themselves as God's chosen people, superior to all others.

That level of nationalism could make neo-Nazis blush. The Abrahamic religion(s) rejected the much older Semitic traditions, but only after plagerising them, right down to the "Genesis" being Enuma Elish—boy, they hated the Babylonians, but they hated everyone, really. So then they whacked it under monotheism, where the one god conveniently chooses the Abrahamic people as the superior ones over the other Semites—what a fucking coincidence! 😲

It's kinda like Nordicisim but instead of it being about some pseudo "Aryan race" or superiority though "social Darwinism", it's tribalism—12 to be exact. It evolved into superiority of ethnicity by divinie will, backed by ancient texts riddled with acts of genocide and regional conquest, excused as righteous divinity, despite no real obvious purposes behind them besides control.

So while they're chanting "Death to Arabs" here and rolling out yet another round of localised ethnic cleansing there, they're somehow avoiding the irony of being the most "antisemitic" of Semites, the Arabs being the largest group within, no less.

Its a level of nationalistic ideology you can't stop overnight, lol. That shit runs _deep_ on so many levels.