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Aide to Ukraine's ex-President Yanukovych shot dead in Spain

c/world · u/MicroWave@lemmy.world · 141 points

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**_Andrii Portnov, a former member of parliament in Ukraine, was sanctioned by the US over corruption allegations. He was shot dead outside a school in Madrid._**

Spain's Interior Ministry on Wednesday said Andrii Portnov, an adviser to former Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych, was killed outside a school in Madrid.

According to the police, they received a call about the shooting of a Ukrainian citizen near the elite American School of Madrid in Pozuelo de Alarcón at 9:15 a.m. local time (0715 GMT).

Police said Portnov was shot multiple times in the head and back by more than one gunman while getting into a vehicle. The attackers then fled toward a forested area, police added.


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u/atzanteol@sh.itjust.works · 1 points

I love how quickly most people simply discard their principles the moment they like or dislike the person affected by the rules. It's exactly how Trump operates.

u/Skiluros@sh.itjust.works · 0 points

Should have not engaged in corruption and worked as an agent for the russians. It's not a difficult choice.

u/atzanteol@sh.itjust.works · 5 points

My man - there is a world of difference between "I took this job out of desperation" and "I am literally enslaved and forced to do this job for no compensation."

u/Skiluros@sh.itjust.works · 2 points

My man, I don't know how much you've travelled/lived around the world, but in many places the calculus for making a living has its own equations.

Working in Chernobyl has a massive pay differential for the same job compared to the rest of the country. Some people are desperate.

u/KernelTale@programming.dev · 1 points

It depends on your view of ethics. Most people want to see evil suffer while some prefer the nihilistic approach where the threat is just dealt with. The latter is chosen because it lacks emotions, is logical and protects innocent people who are falsely convinced to the minimal degree.

u/Skiluros@sh.itjust.works · 0 points

While I agree with you that as Ukrainian law stands today that would not be viable, I don't see how I am being unethical.

Portniv knowingly (in a premeditated and genuine manner) contributed to mass killing and torture of Ukrainians at the hands of the russians (not to mention the mass scale destruction and life disruption for 10s of millions). Requiring community for a few decades is not a breach of ethics in any way.

u/Carmakazi@lemmy.world · 4 points

If you're willing to forego both the law and basic ethics because he's a traitor, again, you should just be happy with the extrajudicial kill squad.

u/Skiluros@sh.itjust.works · 0 points

Portnov is a POW? This is news to me.

He is a local corrupt oligarch and russian collaborator.

Since when is it a war crime to require community service for high corruption and treason?

u/Carmakazi@lemmy.world · 10 points

At least in the case of POWs, forcing captives to do life-threatening work is a specifically defined warcrime. De-mining is Example A for this.

u/Skiluros@sh.itjust.works · 9 points

How so? You do realize regular people work in the Chernobyl zone (for pay, they are not forced).

Same with de-mining work. There are military and police forces who are doing de-mining as part of their duties.

u/chaogomu@lemmy.world · 2 points

War crimes if you force enemy soldiers to do it. Technically forcing enemy soldiers to do anything at all is a war crime.

Not war crimes if it's community service ordered by a judge due to conviction for crimes committed by the subject.

u/Stamau123@lemmy.world · 15 points

How was he just hanging out in Spain I wonder, seems like the kinda country that would boot him quick

u/Carmakazi@lemmy.world · 6 points

Options 2 and 3 are literal war crimes. You might as well just be happy with the extrajudicial murder.

u/Skiluros@sh.itjust.works · 40 points

Portnov was a piece of shit. Russian collaborator.

I would rather he was extradited, all his assets seized and he would be required to do several decades community service work (live-in janitor in a hospice centre or de-mining work, community service work in Chernobyl would work too).

u/AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space · 3 points

What was he doing in a NATO country in the first place? Sounds like the authorities were asleep at the wheel.