Israel Admits It Bombed A Hospital To Kill A Journalist For Doing Journalism

he documented acts of murder, looting, and arson, posting the footage online

Documenting crimes isn't a crime. Doing journalism isn't a crime.

Did u read the OP?

If I'm riding with a gang to the scene of a crime I'm gonna get done for accessory to murder aren't I?

Holy shit shut the fuck up

Victim card doesn't work here, 

Also,


*Death to Nazi entity of piSSreal and may every settler never know peace*

No obviously not, how in the world did you manage to read that from the post?

Documenting a crime does not make you culpable of it, committing it does regardless of if you film it or not

Do you really think every crime journalist should be charged as a participant in each crime they report on?


What crime? I didn't see a crime.

What crime did the journalist commit?

An engagement also against brown people.

Indeed

“not a gross oversimplification”.

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proceeds to grossly oversimplify

>It sure seems to love selling American military secrets to Russia though.

And so do Americans. Like your argument that the colony controls America is that the colony does bad shit to America. But what part of America doesn't fuck over America on the regular?

It sure seems to love selling American military secrets to Russia though.

Apartheid South Africa did have a massive lobby in these countries, but nowhere near as massive as Israel.

American politicians literally have a AIPAC handlers.

I'm not sure what your point here is. Whether or not the occupation allows American military bases, or whether or not they can get away with sinking the USS liberty is moot. Because the occupation literally *is* an American (and partly european) operation. Claiming that the occupied zone controls America is like claiming that south Africa controlled Britain.

The Gulf States have unlimited American military bases on them. There is one place which does not allow American military bases.

USS Liberty.

why would the US care about gaza

Petrodollars, settler colonialism and imperial control. Israel and the Gulf monarchies are the linchpin of the petrodollar, aka the American government's ability to run a massive trade deficit over decades with minimal inflation, something no other country can do. This gives the American government unlimited spending power (for its military).

There is also the geopolitical aspect of dividing the middle east, figuratively and literally, as well as having a forward base there to put pressure on Europe, Russia and China.

Finally, a huge number of "israelis" are really just American settlers. From the standpoint of the American bourgeoise, having a settler colony with a racialised underclass is very profitable, as this underclass (the Palestinians) are easily exploited workers. Furthermore, the American firms can test weapons on Gaza and their partnership with companies in the occupation yield them economic benefits.

True, although the line of puppetry is a little blurred between the US and Israel. While ultimately they rely heavily on the annual military aid, their influence in US politics is immense.

You claim the US puppets Israel, but why would the US care about gaza to the point of making Israel do this evil stuff? Why would the US pay 80 years of horrific costs and complications over this particular middle eastern people? Why can we still criticise the US government, but criticisizing Israel or zionists is being criminalized?

Israel is the puppeteer over the US. The US government let money buy politics and it got thoroughly bought. Both US political parties are for sale. the Us doesnt give two shites about building an Israel and never has. Anyone who tells you that Israel is a US puppet would seem to me to be just a lying zionist trying to pawn off ownership of their filthy warcrimes.

Believe me I know how the western population view Gaza, unfortunately they are unable to bring change about, when I mention the west etc, I am talking about the governments. Much like the millions that protested around the world prior the second Gulf war that ousted Saddam, the people were against it, but it went ahead anyway. I'm very happy with the recent comments by the Spanish premier calling Israel a genocidal state, but as long as the US veto remains, and European guilt (specifically Germany) means that Israel will seemingly have immunity no matter how many atrocities they commit.

Yes but quantity is key here. So far Ukraine has barely received any of its promised F16's. There are more modern F16's in Europe. But Ukraine is barely getting any of their promised planes to begin with. Europe is offloading their old trash that much is true.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-16_training_coalition


Europe has newer stuff. Even F35's. Also Eurofighters and Gripens. There is a way, but there is no will from Europe either to help Ukraine win.

The 80 or so F-16s Europe are planing to send are:

• not domestically produced or supported, they are built in the United States and rely on support (spare parts and maintenance) from the United States itself, hence the recent US $300 million F-16 support package and flights of spare parts and stripped out airframes from the boneyard in the US. They also rely on US weapons/munitions, targeting equipment and intelligence, electronic systems/countermeasures and technicians. Europe cannot provide this support, only the United States can. Europe sending F-16s without US support would amount to sending a bunch of soft locked aircraft that wouldn't be able to carry out the required missions. I wrote a long post about this when the USA paused intelligence sharing to Ukraine. It's US technology, not European technology. The US is required as a key player.

• The F-16s Europe are sending are cold war era F-16AM block 15 models, roughly equivalent in capability to the Soviet era MiG-29s Ukraine has/had. These are not the latest F-16V block 70 aircraft, or even the 2000s era F-16C block 50 aircraft. These are the oldest F-16s in service. They lack a lot of capabilities that the newest F-16s have, from radars to targeting systems.

• It is only possible for Europe to send these F-16s because the United States is prepared to supply F-35s as a replacement for those countries giving up their F-16s. Europe has no domestic equivalent to the F-35, and their latest 4.5 generation aircraft (Gripen, Rafale, Eurofighter Typhoon) while cheaper to operate than an F-35, cost more upfront and lack stealth capabilities. In theory this is a win-win situation: European countries trade in their cold war era F-16AMs to Ukraine for the latest and greatest F-35s, and the US makes a ton of money on arms sales. But again, this plan requires the US as a key player to work. It's not possible without US involvement. Europe cannot supply the replacements that the US can.

• As for domestically produced fighter aircraft, France was able to promise a dozen or two Mirage 2000s, but that was it. No one else from Europe has stepped up. This seems to be all that Europe can give independently. Macron said as much.

• The storm shadow/SCALP-EG missiles are fired by Soviet era Su-24 aircraft in the Ukrainian inventory using parts from the UK's Tornado GR4 aircraft. It's a frankenstein solution.

This is not to say that Europe doesn't have high tech weapons in general, they do. But the stuff that they do have they need to keep for themselves for their own domestic security, they cannot support another conflict and keep themselves at the appropriate readiness levels. There are also key shortfalls in certain areas (like air defence) where Europe does not have the domestic production capability, and relies on partners like the US and Israel for them. Hence Germany buying an Israeli Arrow 3 air defence battery (midcourse ballistic missile interception) recently.

Europe has plenty of weapons. Most of them are high tech such as the F16's. at the start of the war these would have been plenty to destroy the Russian arsenal. It took a lot of time for Russia to scale up their production to current levels.

Even now we are seeing Europe occasionally send a few Storm Shadow missiles to finally strike deeper within Russia. Something they claimed to be a red line at the beginning. The F16's also took ages.

nato is a trench coat filled with nations with 2 agenda's that take precedence over defending ukraine:

the united states wants its minerals and is using its leverage of weapons to force the ukrainins to sign over minerals rights without any future guarantees of security; robbing them of a future income from this natural resource.

europe want's them to sign over guarantees of future economic ties with strings of future austerity measures as disguises to ensure that eu will have permanent access to the ukrainian market; robbing them of the ability to keep their future economic independence.

the ukrainians were fooled into believing that they could join the nato fold by the americans and the only thing they got for it is a dissolution of their future sovereignty like the vassals states of africa and latin america.

They should but they won't. Because their actions contradict their words. And Trump says the quiet part out loud.

There was a ceasefire deal which Ukraine almost accepted. Then Boris Johnson intervened and said Europe and America would 100% super duper most definitely support Ukraine to win the war pinky promise no cap on a stack fr fr.

Europe doesn't have the weapons to send: have you seen the state of European armies? For instance if we talk high level air defence, Europe has sent more Soviet era S-300P systems than their domestically produced SAMP/T systems. Europe has sent one SAMP/T battery for the entire war, over three years! And these S-300s and SAMP/T could only be sent to Ukraine because the US promised to send replacement Patriot batteries to the countries that donated their S-300 and SAMP/T, while simultaneously sending multiple Patriot batteries to Ukraine. It's the same story with every advanced system.

Agree with you on that, as it is the situation just prolongs suffering in Ukraine. Europe and NATO should properly defend Ukraine, including with troops if necessary. In any case the fear of escalation is bs, because if Russia gets what it wants, it will not stop with Ukraine.

Europe was very clear that they did not want Ukraine to win. They could have sent Ukraine all the weapons if needed to win the war at the very start. Yet they refused to do so, because Russia has nuclear weapons, and they "feared for an escalation". However, now that Ukraine is starting to lose, they are sending the weapons, which they said they would not send before.

If Ukraine is not allowed to win for "fear of escalation", then I do not see any other option than a stalemate or a loss for Ukraine. In this case that means the goal is throwing Ukrainians into the meatgrinder to weaken Russia.

Europe is a colony of America, Hitlerite crakkkers countries

"you should also point out that they’re BS though. Who cares whether Russia wants that or not, Ukraine is a sovereign state and they can make their own decisions, just like other former UDSSR states."

My bad, I assumed that was a given.

Completely agree on the security guarantees by UK and US and that it's fucked up they weren't upheld. When repeating Russia's talking points you should also point out that they're BS though. Who cares whether Russia wants that or not, Ukraine is a sovereign state and they can make their own decisions, just like other former UDSSR states.

I'm talking about the security gurantees for Ukraine to have the nukes removed, and Russia had always maintained they do not want Nato on their door step. I am not justifying anything, I am merely pointing out the talking points used by various parties.

It wasn't the case before Trump. What NATO push? Any country is free to decide what alliance it wants to belong to, Russia does not get to decide what its sovereign neighbouring states do.

Please don't dump Europe and the US together in this context. Neither of them has done as much as it should, I agree with you, but Europe has not turned any of its military aid into loans and it's not extorting Ukraine for its natural resources now. That's only the US and it's completely despicable.

I will accept that, as in fairness I haven't delved into that conflict deeply, on the surface it seems like the whole NATO push was to incite Russia in the first place, but again, I'm not too well versed in this. As for the blackmailing, that became pretty obvious when Trump took power but I'm unsure if that was the case before. Thanks for the info.

You're partially correct but they do not care about Ukraine either. Ukraine is not being defended it's being used and extorted.

Europe and America refused to send Ukraine actual weapons at the start of the war because of "fears that Putin could see it as an escalation". This all but confirmed: Ukraine could not win no matter what.

They wanted to throw as many Ukrainian men as possible into the meat grinder to weaken Russia and get Ukraine into debt. All of that military "aid" suddenly turns out to be a loan. Now that Ukraine is too far into the sunk cost fallacy they start openly blackmailing Ukraine for control over its natural resources.

But I cannot for the life of me understand the worlds outrage at Russia in Ukraine while the events in Gaza over decades has been so much worse

Both Ukraine and Israel are puppets of USA, which controls much of world's media so naturally you would have outrage fueled and consent manufactured for both.

i think most of us that care about Ukraine also care about gaza… but our governments are corrupted and not going by the will of the people anymore.

It's not a gross oversimplification. If Russian aggression had really been that important there would have been a stronger reaction back in 2014, but back then our military industrial complex was already churning out profits for a different foreign engagement. -An engagement also against brown people.

Ukraine was different because the west had an arrangement for defense with them while US still had a semi functional government. Don't be misled the western population is plenty outraged at what's going on in Gaza our government are the ones failing.

Nice name btw, I'm Lebanese so quite likely more biased than most against Israel. But I cannot for the life of me understand the worlds outrage at Russia in Ukraine while the events in Gaza over decades has been so much worse. As an Arab raised in the west, this hypocricy and double standards has always pissed me off. If they're white christians then they must be defended at all costs it seems. (I understand this is a gross over simplification and the Russian agression could possibly threaten Europe). But to the manority of people of colour in the world see it this way. Just look at the latest bullshit from Trump bringing white afrikaaners to the US citing genocide. it's insanity.

Israel is such a pathetic country.

Thanks for the death threats, good chat society, I'm out

So I can film a crime to get away with a crime ?