CIA deputy director’s son killed while fighting for Russia in Ukraine, investigation claims

Delusional.

If America gets invaded I'd help the invaders.

Umm your home being invaded and your friends and family being tortured, raped and murdered is like one of the very few things worth dying for, no?

We know that. Tell the dead guy.

I feel bad that he was duped and all, but there's only so much good will to go around.

1. He volunteered.

2. Tell that to Putin.

By the end 'he loved russia' and he had fully believed the 'conspiracies'. It is sad a soul has bled this earth amiss the political manipulations and turmoil. However he was happy in his service, happy in his bloodshed.

Let us be happy in his death, for now more shall live because he no longer wields weapons worth waging war.

Read the book by Barbara Walters.

And you lost me.

Why didn't he start the war when the Baltics joined Nato and surrounded Kaliningrad?

How about when we hear that treaty negotiations require the wholesale destruction of the enabling Nazi infrastructure in Ukraine

Are there demands for anyone to stand trial for genocide in the Hague as part of the treaty?

Nah, it's all about land

You've been propagandized.

Ukraine wants and deserves to be free of Russian imperialism.

How did you become so deluded? What a waste of passion.

Unfortunately, while a respectable and understandable sentiment, there are wars other than the class war. The class war does extend to those other wars too, in that the distribution of those sent to their deaths and those eating caviar at home while crossing off numbers and names from lists are almost always in direct correlation with the concept of class, but the war itself is not merely about class or even the sides of the class war.

There’s more to life than the material. There’s culture, there’s identity, and there are individual humans that do exist standalone outside of their “class”. While the classes and the oppressing hierarchies of the world do play a part in everything, and anything can’t be entirely isolated from those, from that reality, it’s not the sole disagreement between people and bodies of people.

We hold immaterial things valuable, which I think is natural and very human. Some of those exist entirely outside of the class distribution or distinctions. While some immaterial things like power and influence do correlate with material possessions and thus, the hierarchies at large, the classes, some do not. And sometimes things like national identity, attachment to the language you were taught and you speak, your preference in music, sexuality or otherwise, can be the thing you either fight to forbid and exterminate (such as Russia is doing here), or you fight *for*, to preserve, to defend, to hold dear and be able to hold dear in the future too.

Life is complex. Humans are complex.

Not everything can be simplified and reduced to simple power hierarchies. There are strong, powerful stuff that exists exclusively outside of those definitions. And that’s only because we are irrational, feeling, dreaming humans. And we’re better for it, too.

In 2014, the CIA sponsored a coup that overthrew the democratically elected government of Ukraine. The Nationalist or the Nazis are now in charge and Zelensky is their dildo, which is fucking us as we shell over more and more money to a war that was never to be won. The liberals fell for the last war that lasted 20 years because they wanted to save the oppressed Muslim women because they had to wear sheets over their heads. When in reality, American interventionism has destroyed their cultures. Liberals make me fucking sick. I'd rather hug a full-blown clear as bell hog fascist than ever cuddle up to a self-absorbed in denial Neo-liberal fascist yet, Putin can suck my dick, both China and Russia are capitalist countries, and at the root of all of our problems is the capitalist economic system. Everybody thinks they're right. Everybody thinks they're so fucking smart. There are no arms to run to. No wars worth fighting. For there is no war but the class war.

Liberals are too stupid to understand how tragic this all is. None of these conflicts are worth dying for, and it's all about rich people and their investments. Fucking disgusting.

Read the book by Barbara Walters. How Civil Wars Start and How to Stop Them. I probably don't agree with her politically but I trust her abilities that she has a lot to offer on explaining. how governments destroy other governments via asymmetrical and/or proxy war and state sponsored terrorism. Through direct and indirect measures, all forms of terrorism is curated and created by state actors. I hate Putin. But he had every right for what he did. And like a self-fulfilling prophecy, Europe is pissing its pants... they made their bed, now they got a lay in it. But the Yankee had a lot to do with it. Most people live in a vacuum, and each conflict is like a whole new world to them. When in reality war never ends, the book of history never closes. Capitalism will always be riddled with conflict. Cooperation is the rule of civilization. Competition is the rule of the jungle.

His family is MAGA, they are treasonous Russian assets.

Being a russian asset eems to be a _requirement_ now for government security clearances.

I wonder how much his actions were about believing in the Russian cause and how much about rebelling against his CIA parents.

Yeah That's interesting.

Well, not that interesting.

That's like all the tankies on Lemmy.

Over 600

Time for your meds lmao

Definitely not joining the army of a terrorist state


Thats a true American freedom story if I've ever heard one. Lets get this kid a monument in the deep south.

Have y'all tried tater tots? My gf introduced me to them and I swear she makes the best ones!

Not if those chonky frontline dogs have anything to say about it.

Check the ground near where the drone got him, you might still find remnants of both.

Ohh no :(

Anyway...

He doesn't afraid of anything

Fucking moron

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Looks like they've been doing some updates and other maintenance recently, might just take some time for the dust to settle from all of that. Can see the federation status between .world and .zip here.

Seems like they're aware of ongoing issues, maybe give it a couple days and see if things improve first. In any event, my pleasure. Gotta preserve art when you find it.

Interesting, looks like it's visible from almost all other instances, although I did find a couple where it's not. I can't see any differences due to lemmy version either (most instances are 19.11, where the edit is visible, but midwest.social is also on .11 and it's not visible-- whereas lemmy.nz is on .10 and it's also not there). Maybe I'll shoot a message over to admin like you suggested.

Thx for posting the screenshots

Interesting, are you using a web browser or one of the apps?

Here are the posts I grabbed before the killjoys answered their urgent texts to shut it all down:









Ended up answering my own question once I remembered the button that sent me to the lemmy.zip version of the thread, seems like that instance is failing to fetch the updates rather than this being a browser/app issue. That's also why I'm double-replying to this comment rather than editing my other one here. Might be worth a message to the .zip instance admin(s) in case something's busted, just going to check around first and see if it's a known issue.

Edit that you might not see for a while: Looks like they've been doing some updates and other maintenance recently, might just take some time for the dust to settle from all of that. Can see the federation status between .world and .zip here.

Oh--I can't see an edit or a spoiler, but I appreciate the screenshots.

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The obit got pulled already

Ukraine is the country being invaded. Russia is the one invading. That is as simple as it is. You invade = you are the aggressor = you are the evil one.

I'm almost positive that widespread interest in Ukraine joining NATO spiked in popularity AFTER the invasion started and wasn't even taken seriously until then. So... Russia really created their own problem in that regard.

NATO does not expand (invade to grab land), it is based on voluntary membership application (although it is not truly volunteer since they are being forced, antagonized to join due to russia expansionism). New members are only accepted through vote. "NATO expansion" is well known as putin/FSB propaganda meant for a certain naive audience.

NATO borders with russia are the most peaceful with the low number of russian troops. Internally, Russia is not concerned about NATO, a defense alliance since Russia has the highest number of nukes.

In the media, they will use NATO expansion propaganda because there are naive clowns and useful idiots who will believe in NATO expansion propaganda. Do remember russia was fine with Ukriane joining NATO, they saw they can use it as propaganda to justify russia expansionism. http://www.en.kremlin.ru/events/president/transcripts/21598.

Ukraine public support for joining NATO was in the minority before the war, and only after invasion it became majority. Even after Ukraine said they won't apply to NATO, russia didn't not stop its **expansion** because russia expansion has nothing to do with NATO.

In fact due to russia aggressive expansion even more countries applied to join NATO. Putin knew that russia expansion will encourage more to **submit application** to join NATO. Putin was warned to stop russia expansion as that just cause more to apply for NATO membership, it is open to anyone. Furthermore note that expanding russia territories just bring russia closer to NATO, increasing russia border with NATO. Clearly it is not about NATO.

Even, without using NATO, putin will come up with a new reason like nazis, terrorists or LGBTQ or WMDs or security issues ( a country with the most nukes in the world has a security issue? only naive clowns will believe that) or restoring empire/imperialism (which he admitted in interview with carlson) or all of the above each for a different audience. Whatever it takes to get crimea and its warm water ports, and later Donbas for a land bridge and to secure Crimea water supply. Eventually going all the way to Transnistria.

You think things are so simple as poor top nuclear powered russia who is scared of evil tiny Ukraine, for suggesting sending in membership application form to NATO. You are being naive at best. War does not work like a superhero movie.

NATO was created to protect small countries from russia expansionism and stop russia from antagonizing its neighbours.

Russia was even member of G8 until russia antagonized G8 members by invasion of Crimea. The only way a massive nuclear powered russia sees NATO as a "threat" is that NATO prevents russia from expansionism... from expanding russia territories.

But of course! Those poor Russians just _had_ to do a whole invasion, entirely out of self defense!

Even if that were true, what does that have to do with Ukraine?

You're a chump that thinks the Democrats are out to attack progressives. Maybe don't be an uneducated dork.

Let me guess, you didn't vote in 2024, and *removed*ed about Democrats the entire time. How's the Trump regime working out for you kreskin?

Yes pro authoritarian far left that's basically communism.

I'd say it's the stages before communism. When the authoritarians have to take all the power to give it to the people. The problem is that is impossible. Once the authoritians have taken all the power, they never give it up. So real communism doesn't exist and can never exist because it always requires some type of revolution and central organization after the effects of the revolution. And that central power will never give up that power.

So just because they haven't reached "true" communism doesn't mean they are all of a sudden now on the "far-right".

Today's tankies are still considered far-left.

Yes pro authoritarian far left that's basically communism.

China is hardly a communism right now, Russia definitively isn't a communism. So the current tankies that are worshipping Russia and China aren't really for communism, they are only pro authoritarianism.

They are actually more aligned with MAGA than anything, the only difference is just that they don't have problem openly supporting Russia and China.

Since this is world community there are people in other countries, and might be different definition what's far left. But in US what authoritarians are labeling as far left are people who still want liberal democracy, but with social programs (what you have in EU, especially in Scandinavian countries). The "furthest left" politicians, Bernie Sanders is basically advocating for medical care for all Americans and taxes on rich. Basically so the government works for the people but against them.

You can be both pro-authoritarian and far left. In fact, that's kind of the definition of far left.

almost universally want authoritarianism and dictatorships? those are far right positions

These are both far right and far left positions. That's what I'm saying.

The left tends to want some flavour of socialist democracy.

Yes, the _center_-left wants this. The **far**-left wants revolutions and purity tests, burning down the system, and leaving minorities to die and fend for themselves while they wage their "class war".

But tankies almost universally want authoritarianism and dictatorships? those are far right positions. The left tends to want some flavour of socialist democracy. Tankies are left like China is communist.

Tankies have almost nothing in common with the far left

This doesn't make sense because tankies _are_ the far left. What you're thinking of as far left is actually center left.

This is not what anarchists believe.

They aren't on the political spectrum at all because they don't believe in any kind of governance.

What are anarchists? They are no tankies but also not center-left.

Today's tankies (appropriately to the name) are pro authoritarianism and it just "happens" that's what far right Russia is. Even China isn't truly a communism, but they are both authoritarian.

Tankies have almost nothing in common with the far left outisde teenagers who haven't worked out the fundemental flaws with communism yet. Beyond those teenagers most left wing folk consider tankies to be pretty right wing.

yes if everyone would just embrace centrism we'd be in a better place, simply participating in war crimes and slowly grinding down and hollowing out the US populace, instead of quickly...right peregrin5?

I like this version of horseshoe theory, but when you put the far left out on its on tine of the horseshoe its not a horseshoe anymore. This is why horseshoe theory is garbage.

I keep seeing this image repeated on Lemmy but I don't buy it. It's just an attempt for leftists to distance themselves from tankies. If you're left but not a tankie, you are just center-left. Only tankies are far-left


Horseshoe "theory" is generally used to attack progressives to promote centrism. Its a DNC tool and you're the chump using it.

Putin and Xi claim to oppose fascism the exact same way that Trump does while the actions of all three directly contradict their lip service. This is the biggest crock of shit I'm probably going to read on the internet today.

Maybe if you didn't keep your head inside your ass you'd feel a bit embarrassed of saying stupid shit online. The confidence you have to say stuff like that is truly perplexing.

You’re really dumb

technocrit might actually be a trollbot.

Who vehemetly denied being involved in that plot, was cleared by the German secret service for not being involved and was praised by Hitler for his autobiography?

The truth is complicated not inconvenient. Is NASA a Nazi organization? Are we not going to use rockets because it is Nazi tech?

What about NATO today is Nazi. What was Nazi about NATO then?

You're being obtuse and intentionally a fool. Knock it off.

Wait til 'e hears about NASA. 🫢

When the top of the organisation is a Nazi it sounds pretty Nazi to me.

Combined with the NATO genocides in Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Korea, Palestine and more, it is obvious NATO is led by "Ubermenschen."

But hey. The truth is very inconvenient.

Heusinger was a top ranking Nazi which served in the atrocities and genocide against the Soviet Union.

Calling this a "career military officer" is extreme Nazi glorification.

Well just because there are nazis dudes in an organization does not make it nazi itself. After the collapse of fascism, a lot of fascists kept or acquired important roles, there were nazi cunts in french administration, and i dont think it made the administration automatically nazi.

Since NATO was not iniated by nazis, nor by Germany, and has no nazi goals, i'm not sure if we can say that the line between Nazi Germany is very straight. It exists sure, but it's probably not straight and certainly quite thin.

I mean look nazis are bad but if we look at De-Ba'athification in Iraq things didn’t turn out so well.

As far as I can tell is Heusinger guy was a career military officer, for the Imperial German army, the Weimer rupublic, Nazi Germany, and Post war Germany. So sure we can he should have defected from the Nazis but he wasn’t exactly a brown shirt either.

The guy who was involved in the plot to assasinate Hitler?

Not really. NATO had many ex top Nazis at the helm directly after world war 2. The line between Nazi Germany and NATO is very straight.

One of the most notable being top Nazi Adolf Heusinger https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Heusinger

Where the other guy went wrong is thinking that anyone opposing NATO in this case Russia suddenly becomes objectively good.

Stalin is literally the closest thing we have to Adolf Hitler that isn't Adolf Hitler. You realize Stalin did mass-scale ethnic cleansing? You also realize Stalin was ALLIED with the Nazis in the beginning?

What the fuck are you on about?

The USSR imploded because it was a corrupt and violent kakistocracy

I don't know that the US had anything to do with the coup, but it didn't work anyway, and they were much more friendly with the anti-coup people than with the coup. I could be wrong but I thought it was by hard-liners who were opposed to Gorbachev's reforms and wanted to keep the USSR together back according to its old principles instead of liberal reforms.

Nobody sponsored ultranationalism in Russia except by accident. The IMF and BIll Clinton sponsored gangster capitalism, which took off like gangbusters and defined the gruesome arc of the next several decades of Russian government. It's one of the great sadnesses of the late 20th century, the promise of what could have been for the Soviet people in the wake of mostly peaceful anti-communist revolution simply getting replaced by more misery.

Fuck the nato. Fuck putin.

Lol

Is that really so far off though?

Yes you fucking cretin

Notice that the one US president who actually has been building concentration camps and operating the Gestapo, shares with you a strong dislike of NATO.

Yes, unless you ask a fucking idiot.

Get bent you fucking Nazi shitbag

If by evolution you mean “created to oppose” then yes. The question is what global organization will be created to fight against the evil of Trump and Putin.

Read a fucking history book

Yes

Yes

Average technocrit ragebait. Yawn.

Yes

^ How to piss everyone off in one sentence

Yes, very far off.

You're a fucking moron.

What the hell

Literally the bravest thing I've seen all week

Either extremely impressionable, or maybe had his account handed over after he was pulled off the street and conscripted into a ruzzian meat wave.

Either way, tragic waste of human life, being anywhere near involvement with their military.

NATO was an evolution of Adolf Hitler’s Nazi party.

Is that really so far off though?

Not sure about your upbringing, but I know I also didn't really have the *means* to do anything *truly* stupid.

Where'd this kid get the resources to go globe-trotting to a freaking war-embattled fascist state? That's what blows my mind. Someone responsible for him was complicit in his self destruction.

I remember times when I rebelled against my parents and did some pretty stupid shit, but kids today are on a different level.

Who'd guess the cia deputy director would raise such a gullible piece of shit

Technocrit just likes to stir shit. The reactions are what he wants.

Tankies don't have their own beliefs. They're just mouthpieces for the Russian and Chinese government.

Also very prevalent with tankies.

The way these "theories" are thrown around these days with such an air of legitimacy is truly terrifying.

This absolute miracle of communication at our fingertips, and it's 99% noise, dangerous noise, vying to worm its way into whatever cracks in the human psyche it can find. At the least harmful, it's persuading ads. And on the other end, people are flying out to go join ISIS or Ruzzia because they got algorithmed into a Facebook group or absorbed enough TikTok radiation.

I miss when the internet "wasn't real life."

From the end of the article

But despite supporting Ukraine at the beginning of the full-scale war, he was at a military recruitment center in Moscow, alongside other foreign nationals, on September 5, 2023, Russian border data shows.

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>His social media posts show a distinct change in his views — one identified by Important Stories as belonging to Gloss suggest he believed in conspiracy theories involving Ukraine, and claimed NATO was an evolution of Adolf Hitler's Nazi party.

Some people consider Ukraine to be a neonazi stronghold. So fighting Ukraine would be fighting against fascist nazis.

That logic is prevalent with conspiracy nuts/scammers like Alex Jones.

It seems they convinced him that NATO and Ukraine are Nazis. Typical stuff from the play book. Dude just went all in on it. Pretty sad, he had his whole life ahead of him.

Just look at ML or Hexbear right here on Lemmy. The tankies love Putin and Xi. Horseshoe is a law not a theory.

It's probably because USA is openly fascist while russia at least claims to oppose.

Chris Pratt was in the OC?

I laughed so hard at this, god damn

The people in those images all support Russia though

I know you can't resist to whatabout some more, but the US is an ally of Russia since last November.

You make me want to be a worse person.

There's more than one way to fasc, I guess.

But they are. I mean they are not saluting but their opinions, their mindset, and ideology are quite similar .

Western Imperialism these days is the US, Israel, and Russia

But those people doing that are pro russian, just like putin's nazi Wagner group.

You support Russia because they hide it better. Thanks for admitting that you're a gullible moron!

bought into fighting wokeness, or nazis in ukraine probably.

Have you seen the leaders of western imperialism lately? Say what you want about russian politicians, but they're not doing this.


eco-activist, women’s rights supporter, and anti-fascist

fighting for Russia

ummm, something doesn't compute

>I hate fascism.

So he fought for Putin to invade Ukraine? That's some top tier thinking there.

Bro didn't like that Israel invaded Gaza, so he joined Russian army in their invasion of Ukraine to make it right 🤷‍♂️

I certainly don't recommend following the link to his obituary from the article and reading the entries in the traitor's tribute book.

Example of some of those entries:


Edit: Somebody noticed.


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It seems he lost his mind, before losing his body too. :(

Oh no. Anyways

I hate fascism so I join the Russian army

I hate having to watch mental gymnastics like that right before going to sleep. How dumb is you

Sounds like a good kill. Chose the wrong side, should have stayed home.

How does someone keep a security clearance high enough to be a CIA Deputy Director when you have a child fighting in a foreign army?

Tankie you for your service

That country turns fascists into sunflowers

Hahaha he hates fascists, fights for one and gets ganked. LOL. GJ nerd, didn't you know, dieing is what the Orks do?

Glad he's dead then

Completely aside from what he was doing in Russia, he gives me the same vibe as Ché Cook from The OC.


What an hero. They should all an hero themselves.

There’s a ton of comments about this on r/securityclearance about this and how crazy it is his parents still have clearances.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

I encourage any MAGA to be outraged, and join the Russian army to exact their revenge on behalf of one of their own.

Well isn’t THAT interesting

Good.

What growing up under the CIA does to a person.