EU considers stripping Hungary of voting rights over Ukraine obstruction

Due process...

No, Putin's Puppet Orban is who is breaking apart the EU, for many years now.

There is nothing simple in removing a nation from a treaty, even more when it involves such degree of integration as we have in the EU. Remember Brexit. It was a complete disaster.

Saying there is a need to remake this or that institution is also not a good idea.

UN as it exists is undermined. Either all countries of good faith band together and forcefully ignore the treaties on which the alliance predicates in order to force change or those countries simply ignore UN and create a new international organization, with the same purpose but with more muscle and bite behind it. In my view, the UN could evolve to what could become a global federation and the prototype of a unified, transnational, government.

Regarding the EU, it is by default, to my knowledge, an ever evolving organism. New agreements, treaties, etc, are constantly being drafted, negotiated, etc. It is, very obviously and objectively, a large, cumbersome, slow beast but it has created very good initiatives that have created good outcomes for all.

The way I see it, we should make EU2 and NATO2 all just the same, but with kick out rules, and just not invite the countries in that don't fit any more.

With UN2 it's a bit different, because it's meant to get everyone on the table. So maybe just redo it without the stupid veto rules.

That is essentialy the principle of good faith.

Unfortunately, good faith only goes so far and things have reached a tipping point where clear cut, non dependent of votes and agreements, sanctions and limitations to members states are established.

My own country prefers to pay an yearly fine instead of ending the double taxation in place on fuels.

Hungary is veering further and further towards a totalitarian regime. Arguing that people voted for it is an empty reply. The country is plunging into the completely opposite direction of what a democratic state is.

So stripping the country of its voting rights is not enough.

Well, "nothing" surely is hyperbole. The EU is slow and bureaucratic. And, importantly, it has regulations that make it almost impossible to act against a nation once it joined EU. Like kicking it out.

Hungary already has had funds cut etc. by the EU.

I'm hoping stripping Hungary of voting rights is not the last possible step, and yes, I do hope they'd hurry up and stop dithering.

OTOH any such movement always has the potential of pushing the country in question even further towards the fascist fringe.

I'd assume this is one of those decisions that has to be agreed on by everyone else - and they always had an ally who would block it. Was Poland, now Slovakia

Fair point, considering the ramifications on Zelensky's counter-deal.

It isn’t tho when literal terrorists and war criminals roam Europe.

But whatabout...

While there is plenty to be said about it, the situation in Ukraine is a bit more immediately situated.

The EU is still "considering"...

considers it every year, but does nothing.


Hopefully they'll manage to block Hungary.

This should have gotten done even before the ukraine invasion

Just do it already

Should have been done a while ago. A clear message should have been sent that undemocratic, Russian figureheads wouldn't be tolerated.

Good, get to it. Should've been done years ago.

"considers"

Why not just DO IT?

this is not a solution, it just echoes what US & Russia wants, to break EU apart.

They must find a way to make it work somehow without breaking up the EU, this must never be seen as an option.

over Ukraine obstruction

so no word on Israel from Europe yet, huh?