There's a European lemmy instance! Europe Pub

Cheers to that!

If it's a one off share thing it's probably fine the way you do it.

I guess our perspectives are different because I'm more active on communities that are active "in the long run", such as !buyeuropean@feddit.uk, !movies@lemm.ee, !privacy@programming.dev

Also, most of the value of Reddit and Lemmy comes from the comments. Having splintered discussions in several similar communities prevents interesting conversations from happening.

I read "new" a lot and on some profiles, it it is my default. I don't "suffer" from choosing where to post, because I don't really care that much about upvotes. Most things are a one off share and that's it - except for questions, then I try to pick the biggest community. There are people to solve their conundrum by just cross-posting to all relevant communities, which is also fine by me.

Personally, I'd rather have multiple small and active communities than centralised, large communities with many small and dead communities.

As you see, I'm quite against centralisation and merging, and what-not. It's probably a thing we disagree on.

feddit.au would not make sense, last time I checked Australia is not a german speaking countr.

Austria. Dunno what their domain is.

There is nothing "international" about an organisation. Almost every county has them.

Is disagree. It means to me that there is still a preference for centralisation in the mind, which is limiting.

You still need a minimum number of active contributors to keep the communities active. If everyone wants to post to their own community, they should switch to a microblog format, there everyone has their own feed.

Communities consolidation happens all the time (see !fedigrow@lemm.ee ), because people get tired of "shouting into the void" on their community alone, and join forces with other people on a shared community.

feddit.au would not make sense, last time I checked Australia is not a german speaking countr.

lemmy.de was one of the proposed new domains, iirc, but the users eventually chose feddit.org specifically because we did want to make it a clear successor to feddit.de, but we didn't want to tie it to a country specific tld like .de, .at, or ch to indicate that none of the german speaking countries is "more important" or "prioritized" over the other.

I mean that the .org ending makes it look like something international. If I'm not mistaken .org stands for organisation. So it's like visiting "The Feddit Organisation", but the instance is primary German. The sidebar of the instance is German first, English second. It's just confusing and IMO also misleading. They could've picked "lemmy.de" or "feddit.au" or something similar.

I would be careful with the "centralist mindset". Centralization towards instances or towards communities are very much different things.

Is disagree. It means to me that there is still a preference for centralisation in the mind, which is limiting. Thinking the same will lead to the same outcome. Just like the people who left twitter, went to mastodon, immediately went "but this isn't twitter, why isn't this twitter?" and started demanding all the twitter features that made twitter toxic in the first place.

If you think centralist in a federation, you will always feel uncomfortable and push for centralist ideas, ideals, and goals.

Also, I don't understand the feddit.org thing. Why is a German instance "feddit.org" as if it's the main feddit instance?

Originally there was feddit.de with wintermute as admin. But when the fediverse needed him most, he disapeared.

Also if i understand it correctly feddit.org is for the german speaking countries (DE, AT & CH), not just germany.

I never said it should not be done, I just said the approach is likely not successful. I would be careful with the "centralist mindset". Centralization towards instances or towards communities are very much different things.

>Also, I don't understand the feddit.org thing. Why is a German instance "feddit.org" as if it's the main feddit instance?

I don't really understand what you mean here, could you elaborate?

Also, I don't understand the feddit-org thing. Why is a German instance "feddit-org" as if it's the main feddit instance?

Specifically to accommodate hosting communities like !europe actually. feddit-org is explicitly meant as a de+en (language, not country) instance, adhering to DE/AT/CH law, and hosted in AT.

We had a vote on that topic at some point about that on feddit-de where feddit-org won out against e.g. lemminge-de.

It seems to me like the centralist mindset is still very ingrained in people despite being in a different place.

Centralized services are simply easier to understand. And comments are a major issue: !europe here has vastly more comments than the community of the same name on europe-pub. If both become popular, commenters will split up between the two instances, making both communities seem emptier and more disjoint.

In any case, while I am not super happy about the approach that europe-pub takes, I am happy it exists and provides another option, should things fail in another part of the fediverse.

That said, the Fediverse Foundation, i.e. the Austrian non-profit running this instance feels like a very good home for the moment.

Also, I don’t see multiple communities on different instances as a problem. We’re on the fediverse, not reddit.

It is an issue when the multiple communities have the same content and rules, and just splinter the conversation.

As someone who is doing most of the heavylifting on !buyeuropean@feddit.uk, I would rather have people posting additional content to it than just crossposting the content to a new community where nobody comments.

Examples:

• https://feddit.org/post/10451325

• https://europe.pub/post/158763

• https://feddit.nl/post/31756346

• https://europe.pub/post/140516

• https://feddit.nl/post/31722849

• https://europe.pub/post/140516

There is no main feddit instance. It can help avoid the calckey problem (calckey.world, the software it ran was originally called calckey, then it rebranded to firefish, then it shut down, and switched to a fork, sharkey). Its just a mix of "fediverse" and reddit.

To be fair, almost all instances started like this.

Could be changed easily.

Looking around and in the terms

>Europe Pub is operated and sponsored by Tobias Feistmantl, with servers hosted by Hetzner in Germany and is governed by Austrian law.

Yeah, looks like a single person and consequently a single point of failure.

I'm not the creator of the instance. I just happened upon it and thought it'd be cool to share.

Pertaining empty and small communities, that's how most communities start: one person creates it, people find it and contribute. Most don't just go from 0 to thousands of contributors and followers in a second. It takes time.

Also, I don't see multiple communities on different instances as a problem. We're on the fediverse, not reddit. There doesn't have to be one single "Europe" community. There can be a Europe community on a Europe loving instance, on a Europe hating instance, on an Italian instance and thus posting in Italian or from an Italian perspective, on a teddy bear instance that just talks about European teddy bears, whatever. It seems to me like the centralist mindset is still very ingrained in people despite being in a different place.

Also, I don't understand the feddit.org thing. Why is a German instance "feddit.org" as if it's the main feddit instance?

Thank you for posting this.

Ask good questions instead of... whatever that comment was.

Symlinked as in filesystems. Posts appear somewhere, but are somewhere else. It is a link, the hosting could be done by both communities for redundancy, but no duplicate comments or reactions.

Clone... well clone.

"Instance post" as in "a post on this instance"?

Symlinked? Clone community? Instance post?

Dude, what?

I dont see the issue

The issue is you've thought about this, made up terms that make sense in your head on the path to your conclusion, and have just jumped ahead to conclusion when posting instead of taking others along the same path. I could also go "stirling sticks are superior to warble sticks, isn't it obvious? The stirling stick is multi-faceted in its use, but the warble stick can only be used for consistent 'viscosity'. I don't see the issue".

No not centralization. You can post on whatever instance, and the posts are "symlinked" to the similar communities. Interactions go to the instance post you made. Percectly decentralized.

If a user is blocked, such communities could agree to share the blocklist. Otherwise, they could post on a clone community (like aready possible) and their posts would not be linked to the instance where they are blocked

I dont see the issue

Crossposting doesnt even work

What do you mean? Many posts have "crossposted from" in their description or as part of the page. Mbin shows all other crossposts and in the default lemmy GUI you can click through the crosspost chain.

there should be a post type so that all content is read-only and the interactions (likes, comments) are redirected to the original post

That's just centralisation with extra steps. Also, imagine somebody is blocked from the original posting instance. Does that mean they can't interact with the post at all?

It's only a problem if you find decentralisation a problem, which I don't.

Interesting!

I think it would make most sense to join instances into a group, so when a user posts in one community, the community clones the post to the others.

Crossposting doesnt even work, but there should be a post type so that all content is read-only and the interactions (likes, comments) are redirected to the original post

PieFed already has Feeds an proposed a way of federating them:

• https://piefed.social/post/500805

• https://piefed.social/post/538685

That makes sense, thanks!

Lemmy desperately need a "multi-reddit" feature.

There is no need to avoid it.

The point is that everyone has choice. They can join the big communities, but if one fails, people can just switch the instance they're on, make a "competing" community and if that's successful and "better" it will eventually, naturally overtake the old one.

Because

1. Centralization

2. Control

3. Post history

>Community admins would decide to link their communities.

At this point, why not just shut down one of the communities and use the other one? What's the point in linking them like this? That just makes it the same as one community, no?

Community admins would decide to link their communities. Another commenter shared a blog post about this very big issue

Communities should be linked at least

Who decides what communities are linked? You'd need some kind of central authority to do that, but that would break decentralization.

Multiple options for the same thing is good and should be accepted as normal. It's only on the internet that we have learned to think otherwise.

Wouldn't it be weird if you only had one supermarket option to go to? I mean yea super markets mostly have the same stuff, but there's a good reason not to have monopolies.

I dont think this is a good model. Communities should be linked at least, and have stuff like "only post here" optionally (if there is any sense in that)

Tbh it is a natural consequence of lemmy, and not a bad thing. The fediverse is decentralized, and intended such. It fosters a sort of "competition"

Yeah, I've been noticing this.

How do we avoid this happening?

I'm on !BuyFromEU@feddit.org and it's got 10x more subscribers than this one. What happens if this ends up being just as busy? The community is fragmented? This surely hurts attempts at moving people to here from Reddit.

@pantherina @atro\_city

There are some proposed solutions in this article: https://popcar.bearblog.dev/lemmy-needs-to-fix-its-community-separation-problem/

Haha btw I love rule 3

Thanks! It's now in the instance sidebar :)

Sure :)

Haha damn, I should read more context before I post :D

An oft-forgotten part of Europe! :)

Kinda europe

That's an awesome list. Can I use that for the instance sidebar? :)

!korea@lemmy.funami.tech

Most of the communities are empty or driven by a single person. I appreciate your efforts, but that:'s not how Lemmy works. Communities grow naturally, one by one. You cannot just create 20 communities and hope everybody is jumping in.

We can be very happy we have some active communities such as !europe@feddit.org, that are not hosted on lemmy.world.

Besides natural growth, Lemmy is also about trust. It was not easy for !europe@feddit.org to gain trust back from its users after feddit.de failed, but over time it worked out and feddit.org managed to become a reliable and trusted instance within the lemmyverse.

Who promises us that europe.pub won't go down in a month? Who moderates all these communities once they get bigger, that one posting person?

!europe@feddit.org has been around for a while now though.

Stuff is getting seriously duplicated here...

To help you find instances:

General

!europePub@europe.pub

!europeanunion@europe.pub

!europe@europe.pub

!askeurope@europe.pub

Society

!buyfromeu@europe.pub

!antiwork@europe.pub

!democracy@europe.pub

Tech

!degoogle@europe.pub

!privacy@europe.pub

!opensource@europe.pub

!tech@europe.pub

!ETS@europe.pub

!selfhosted@europe.pub

Culture

!books@europe.pub

!podcasts@europe.pub

Countries

• !france@europe.pub

• !germany@europe.pub

• !austria@europe.pub

• !turkey@europe.pub

• !unitedkingdom@europe.pub

• !denmark@europe.pub

• !ukraine@europe.pub

• !sweden@europe.pub

• !belgium@europe.pub

• !ireland@europe.pub

• !norway@europe.pub

• !dach@europe.pub

• !italy@europe.pub

• !netherlands@europe.pub

• !estonia@europe.pub

• !spain@europe.pub

• !romania@europe.pub

• !finland@europe.pub

• !croatia@europe.pub

The more the merrier, long live the fediverse!

Thanks for the shoutout! Every feedback and help is appreciated. :)

Let's bring social media to Europe together!