It’s not just boomers, young people are voting far right too

God no, the EU countries are not blameless. But they by far not the prime mover of the blowing up of the Middle East.

Junior partners are junior.

Must have been the freedom fries, right?

You think the EU didn't have a hand in that? Who did Libya again? Who was famous for doing stuff in Northern and Western Africa? Who drew the lines that fucked half the world? Who insisted on keeping their colonies until it was absolutely too late to stop strong man rebellions from becoming dictatorships?

The US is in the picture, but it's not alone by a long shot.

Yep. Dunno what else to say, we're absolutely responsible.

Humanity has that long history.

Clearly you think yourself far smarter than you are. Especially considering you can't even see yourself fall foul of the fallacy you claim to see. As adorable as it is, I remember when I first found out about fallacies too, its a bit boring and it wouldn't make me wrong either. That is if you bothered learning any of the other fallacies.

Let me help you, as you're clearly struggling here: why is it that only the Europeans, in this instance, that have to own their crap? Why are we not allowed to consider any other contributing factors? How is me mentioning another factor, while not denying the problems at home, not owing it?

It doesn't make sense does it?

Hmm clearly I need to repeat myself with you.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque

Let me know if you need a primer on logical fallacies. I am sure I can find one for your level.

Again, said without a hint of irony. Please get some self awareness before replying again. Youre taking the sport out of it.

Some of us are capable of holding all the contributing factors in their heads and not just ignore the ones they dont want to talk about. It doesn't mean we don't have our own problems but it also doesn't mean that there isn't another very serious problem at hand.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque

>Own up to your own crap if you want to fix it

They said, without a hint of irony.

I don't think I dismissed it but mearly made sure that all the factors leading to it were included. In fact, its people taking issue with me mentioning them who are dismissing things they dont like. If you're in denial about that, then you're probably in detail about how much of an influence America was on Hitler too.

For sure, its not like we need any help with making far right groups. However, we have help making them none the less.

I mean, maybe the rise of the far right in America and then a similar rise across the world, with a sufficient lag time, is completely unrelated. Maybe operation galdio didn't do exactly what it set out to do. Maybe its better to blame people for the additional effect it has on them, outside of their control. I mean, that would be very in keeping with far right thinking.

Must suck living in a place with 450 million people none of which can think for themselves and instead are just vessels for the thoughts of other civilizations

Own up to your own crap if you want to fix it, or don't own it and blame foreigners. See if I care.

Europe has had so many far right groups throughout history and they haven’t gone anywhere. You can definitely think of a few in recent history, not even mentioning Russia. You can just dismiss this away as some foreign influence, this is a problem the world is facing and it’s a problem with me and you.

Arguably the hard right foreign policies of the US from the last 10-20 years are responsible for a lot of the migrant waves Europeans are fearing. You guys blew up the middle east...

Europeans have a long history of blaming foreigners for their problems when times are tough. This isn't really anything new.

Unfortunately, American politics is so toxic, its infected nearly every country its come into contact with.

Understanably, american money and election interference is the reason European politics is becoming more americanised. For example, it was regan who radicalised thatcher. It was American and Russian dark money that funded vote leave (brexit). It was the CIA who funded far right groups all over Europe. Its American, far right Christian groups who try to lobby to take away reproductive freedom for women etc. etc.

America is empire now and no ones laughing anymore.

This is so frustrating to watch as an American. I spent much of my youth on the internet getting clowned on by Europeans for the consequences of my country's hard right policies. The UK has been deservedly getting clowned on for the consequences of embracing the Tories. It beggars belief that the same people clowning on the US and UK would then turn around and say to themselves "yes, but it will be different for us, it will work for us, our situation really is different, you don't understand". No, it won't be different. Pretty soon, you're going to be following the path that the Tories set the UK on, marvelling at how dysfunctional your government is, and hearing about how the only solution is even more gibs to the people who are already the most economically advantaged and the private sector. Before you click reply, just consider that you guys deserve to get fucking dunked on, because you guys spent decades laughing at other countries for doing this shit just to say "hmmm... but what if sticking the fork in the electrical socket works out for me?" I'm honestly sad and disappointed for Europe, not least of all because after years of deservedly shitting on the US for being racist, all it took was one big wave of immigration for you guys to hold up blonde dumbasses with bad hair and worse ideas as the solution to all of your problems.

"Oh, great bozo of the European trailer park, what is your wisdom to save our culture from the immigrants?"

"Deregulate sewage plants. You will certainly not regret deregulating sewage plants."

Enjoy your US-style healthcare system in a few years, I guess.