Schooled by Trump, Americans are learning to dislike their allies

So two thirds are problematic.

A third. There's a third in favor of the turd, a third is apathetic, and a third did something to stop the turd.

Yeah sux at this point I wish I could get my family out. I know tat if we must fight ww3 we want to be on the side of democracy

Probably tariff

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-steel-aluminum-tariffs-canada-mexico-b2696606.html

In English it's "With friends like these, who needs enemies?"

Apparently coined by an early 20th century comedian, but I wouldn't put a lot of stock in that origin.

Do you want to work and support yourself? Yes -> start looking for a job (Ireland and the Netherlands are best for you because of your language) No -> please do not move to us.

We'll take any scientist, nurse and IT pro without a second thought.

Could be around when there were Canadian trumpers and the whole trucker protest thing.

Maybe the amount of Democrats that see Canada as an enemy is lower than the amount of Republicans that don't see Canada as an enemy. It's hard to tell from that graph.

Additionally, the blue line seems to start ticking up around 2022. I don't remember if Trump was pushing anti Canada stuff back then, but if he wasn't, then it's probably due to something completely unrelated and possibly even reasonable.

Join the EU! We like you and our respect for you has only gone up (excluding pp)

Historically, that hasn't gone well the last couple times we have tried that.

Yeah, that's exactly what I'm looking for, but my google-fu (or rather DDG-fu) is failing me. That's why I'm asking for help.

You'd think an appropriate chart would come up in a simple image search and not require archive.org. I don't think it's been memory-holed; I think I can't figure out the right search terms.

I know which one you mean I think — a range of charts that showed how conservatives' principles changed a lot depending on which party was in power while liberals' stayed fairly consistent. I've just spent ages trying to find it too, thought it was on dataisbeautiful but my google-fu is also letting me down.

I'm sure you can find many with words analogous to voters, changing, perceptions, opinion polls, etc. I know I've seen dozens of examples of conservatives changing their opinions dramatically based on propaganda, while everyone else — the people not indoctrinated with a mental illness — stay relatively static; as in +/- 5% instead of 10-40%.

You will likely have to use advanced search and the internet archive. Also best to search key propaganda narratives like "migrant caravan".

There was a great chart that showed this sort of phenomenon, I think across a range of issues, but I can't find it. Can anybody help me out?

Fyi, I'm not actually American myself. I agree with you otherwise however.

Ive spent a lot of time in the states and i can tell you unequivocally that all americans afe haddwired for fear. You are extremely jumpy and paranoid people when compared to more modern nations.

Both are brainwashed, just in different ways. Republicans are wired for fear. Democrats are wired for passivity.

The republican version is a lot more dangerous, but the democrat version is a lot more insidious.

*Republicans* are brainwashed. This sort of thing happens all the time with them, on almost every issue.

This is the power of the algos.

I had two Reddit accounts and one was solely used for gaming. Which started to give me feeds completely different then my more left, progressivy main account.

I would get these heavy metal videos about Mexican rapists that were deported on the one linked with gaming. (A clear conservative take). Showed Canadians as commies / socialist evil staties. Like dudes face - deportation date - what they were convicted of - murder or rape. It was wild.

And some of my liberal social main account demonstrated or showed a shit load of Canadian content that linked them with MAGA. And consistently highlighted their crimes against indigenous people. With tag lines of like “they want to talk about what we do - look at what they do”.

so I’m not even sure if the blue line ticking up is “I hate Canadians” or “they are magats too”

To be clear - am American - hate Americans - hate social media (Lemmy is my last social hope / account left) am team Canada all the way / Europe all the way.


Not that I disagree with the idea of Democrats shifting right, but it’s a very small shift supported by very few data points. The line probably wouldn’t have changed much with more data. OTOH, the Republican spike is way too much to be an outlier.

the very basics of diplomacy.

The very basics of human decency

This is fair though. I might even agree that this whole situation has indeed uncovered areas where the USA could be doing some things better.

Importing more than you export to a country is not financially ideal but solving it with tarrifs or blaming the other part that they dont buy more from you is not the way to correct this.

Their perspective is from the other side of the situation though and the information is distributes by a media that seems to have an (not so secret) agenda

Mostly Republicans but a much smaller trend can be seen among Democrats too.

And even then far from all of them.

Well according to them they're the ***only*** Americans. Which I'm fine with, I REALLY don't want the label.

Now you know how us British retainers feel when people went on that we all wanted to leave the EU.

Republicans are Americans.

And they control the entire government and the most viewed media right now.

It's always -- *always* -- projection.

I used to think it was only sometimes projection or often projection, but lately I've realized I was wrong. I literally can't think of an accusation the MAGAs have used that hasn't been projection.

"We thank big brother for removing overdraft fee limits, and freeing our children to work in the mines"

We thank the Big Brother for the increase in the chocolate ration!

Sums it up perfectly

Mostly, yeah.

The White or Black aliens are a lot nicer than the Terra Invicta aliens. They only launch their invasion because the religious organization asks them to, and even then, the aliens don't hurt anyone intentionally.

Looking at the Terra Invicta factions, they end up like this in White or Black:

• Project Exodus never gets off the ground.

• The Protectorate is absorbed into the Servants, as the Protectorate comes to believe that the Servants' methods are a better way to assert control over the human population.

• The Initiative is wiped out during World War III. Remnants are absorbed into the Resistance and Humanity First.

• As things get more desperate, the Resistance is absorbed into Humanity First.

• The Academy leads a strong alliance of nations in the East, but they are ultimately absorbed into the Servants around ~2098.

• Humanity First is greatly weakened in the early 22nd century, and nearly destroyed in the 23rd century, but small rebel factions continue to exist into the 27th century.

• The Servants control the entire Earth by the early 22nd century, and they take big steps to assert their rule in the 23rd century. They are unambiguously the winner in the 27th century.

Basically the plot of Terra Invicta.

That supposed idiot was at the time the smartest living person. Trump is all but that.

They are like somekind of cancer in humanitys collective psyche or something.

Nobody wants that. They are by far destructive enough in their incompetent and inefficient state.

AI and autonomous drones enters the chat.

i dont want to even think about actually competent and efficient nazis

That's right. What the US is doing is pretty much just cosplaying Nazi Germany. The Nazis weren't evil geniuses, they were pretty stupid and disorganised (a hallmark of every fascist regime is everlasting internal rivalry for more influence) and put their idiotic little ideology and personality cult above all else (for example, deportation trains to the death camps had precedence over much needed military logistics, even very late into WW2, also Nazi big wigs regularly engaged in disastrous micromanagement because they could, like when Hitler personally put new fighter aircraft development on hold because he wanted bombers, at a time when regular Allied air raids on Germany were already a reality), inevitably leading to picking a fight with pretty much the entire rest of the world and predictably losing that. The only thing the Nazis were clever (enough) with was propaganda. Propaganda that lasts till today by painting them as the ruthlessly efficient and technologically advanced evil masterminds. (with only the "ruthless" and "evil" being true) See any similarities already?

Well, they did put some idiot in charge and build a personality cult around him, but the idiot wasn't *malicious.*

The US is most similar to the 2030s-early 2050s US in the Chinese-written *White or Black* (Chinese variant of Brave New World).

• An alien shows up, and an international team sent to investigate kill it by accident.

• A bunch of aliens show up a few years later, but they're content to float in the sky.

• After deciphering their language, humanity discovers that the aliens seek asylum on Earth, and they claim that the human race is doomed unless humanity does some immediate course correction.

• "Lol, no."

• Meanwhile, a group of religious MAGA Republicans (Trump is presumably dead at this point) form a religion devoted to worshiping the aliens, believing that they're angels sent by God.

• The aliens' predictions come to pass. The collapsed US is then taken over by the alien supporting religious organization in the late 2060s-2070s.

No, and I start to hate Idiocracy-comparisons. Remember the one crucial thing they did in the movie: listen to the one person most able to solve their problem and then make him president, not put some idiot in charge and build a personality cult around him.

Probably the same tariff stuff https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-steel-aluminum-tariffs-canada-mexico-b2696606.html


The fact that they can change their opinion on their close friends based upon what the president says is kind of pathetic. They call everyone else sheeple and brainwashed as they believe everything he says without question. The definition of a cult.

Oceania was at war with Eurasia; therefore Oceania had always been at war with Eurasia.

Like flipping a switch. Americans are completely brainwashed.

Republican americans are in fact cosplaying the movie idiocracy but with a nazi germany crossover.

Oh look, you can physically see the Democrat shift to the right on the chart.

It‘s almost as if other nations prefer you to be tolerant and welcoming towards them. You know, the very basics of diplomacy.

You could see republicans opinion change drastically and immediately in his first term based on his opinion, and democrat opinion remain relatively the same. When Obama bombed Syria, around 80 percent of Democrats and 80 percent of Republicans disapproved. When trump bombed Syria Democrats moved a few percentage points. It was probably affected, but in the deviations. Republicans swapped from 80/20 disapprove/approve straight to 20/80.

There is a French saying that perfectly fits current situation :

You don't need enemies when you have this kind of friends.

Although I don't know if it's specifically French.

What did Canada do in 2018?

Our allies are fine. I'm learning to dislike my countrymen. Not that there's a lot of new ground to cover on that subject...

It's mostly the republicans though isn't it? I mean in general I see the actions of the USA as a result of the choices made by the whole US population but in this, they are clearly different

I’m sorry from half of America

Are they fitting the curve on like 3 points for 24 and 25? I don't think it's untrue but why publish this with such a low-hanging fruit to delegitimize the argument

Magats are fucking dumb. Argue with them like it’s a chess match being a few moves ahead and you can very accurately predict what they’ll say next.

What I find surprising is that it was decreasing before, what happened in 2018?

EDIT : oh yeah, Trump's first term started in 2017, I just didn't realise that time passes so fast

Hope go isolationist like in past

I'd like to see these graphs only relating to their opinions on Russia and North Korea from the 1980s, at least, through now.

This is just insane, though. The decoupling from reality is seemingly total.

~~Americans~~ Republicans. FIFY

now do the same thing with Canadians about mericans . 90 degree upwards i'm guessing.

How was this question phrased in the survey?

Because in a very literal sense, Canada is being unfriendly. They should be. Amerikkka needs like infinite punishment right now.