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c/europe · u/zaxvenz@lemm.ee · 226 points


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u/troglodyte_mignon@lemmy.world · 12 points

It’s not "instead of", it’s "in addition to". And it’s not "at least" 5 years of prison either, it could end up being less than what the prosecution asked for.

u/Noodle07@lemmy.world · 4 points

Previous mayor of my city went to prison for corruption during his mandate. Dude gets second place on the last mayor election 😑

u/rippersnapper@lemm.ee · 3 points

Why should a politician convicted of stealing money ever be allowed in a position of power? Why not just ban her for life?

u/Plebcouncilman@sh.itjust.works · 0 points

Democracy has never, not once in the history of democracy, meant that every one gets to participate. That’s the idea of it, but it’s not the reality of it. The concept of citizens is there to explicitly denominate those who can and can’t participate in it.

u/troglodyte_mignon@lemmy.world · 10 points

How is your comment related to the article? This trial isn’t about the National Rally’s ideas (which are indeed illiberal, fundamentally racist and plainly disgusting). It’s about them embezzling millions of euros from the European Parliament, during more than a decade, by having many of their members be "fake" MEP assistants who got paid for a job that they didn’t actually do. WTF does this have to do with religion or illiberalism.

Although not being French I do not know the extent of laicité.

Indeed you do not. *Laïcité*, among other things, guarantees the right to believe in (or not believe in) and practice (or not practice) a religion. What you’re proposing is religious discrimination, not laïcité.

u/NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io · 5 points

Good thing you're not in any kind of political office then, because that would be an authoritarian state masquerading as a democracy.

u/Affidavit@lemm.ee · 36 points

>The ruling means far-right leader Marine Le Pen **could** face a five-year political ban **if her party is convicted** in an ongoing embezzlement trial.

My dream is to one day read a news article about a court decision that *actually* has final concrete repercussions, and not something that will likely end up with 2-3 more appeals later down the track.

u/petrescatraian@libranet.de · 31 points

@zaxvenz One of the few moments I'm proud of my country. Probably the annulment of elections last autumn here made other European countries aware that not anyone can run for a public office if they act against democracy. We also had another candidate that was barred from entry two times, but that one was more prominent than *Călin-Russian-wisdom-Georgescu*.

u/x00z@lemmy.world · 13 points

5 year politican ban... without instant removal of parliament...

instead of at least 5 years prison...

**for fraud...**

teh fuck

u/Plebcouncilman@sh.itjust.works · 2 points

I like this, I’m in favor of an aesthetically liberal state that is in fact not liberal because it is openly hostile to illiberal ideas. But before you agree with me, bear in mind that most illiberal ideas arise from religion, so the state needs to be hostile to religion, like France. Although not being French I do not know the extent of laicité. In my model I think that would mean that no one who openly practices any religion could hold any legislative office. And culturally I would wage soft war against Islam, sorry but it’s just not compatible. It was designed as a religion and a political and legal system, so it cannot be reformed unless a complete breakaway from the Quran happens and I don’t see that happening.