The Crisis Engulfing the French Left

>Are you denying that this is the American situation?

Absolutely I am.

You people are just as foolish and easily propagandized as the fascists. I miss the days when despite your foolishness, you would at least help fight against fascism instead of spending all your energy attacking Democrats.

You refuse to vote for the candidate running against fascism, and then when she loses, you *removed* and moan that she didn't do enough. You're like children, with your nonsensical temper tantrums. When pressed to the point that you finally give details, you say "well Democrats should have done x, y, and z" and are astonished to find that Democrats have been doing x, y, and z since before you ever cared about politics. "That wasn't on my TikTok feed!!!"

Harris didn't fail. AOC didn't fail. Gretchen Whitmer didn't fail. Gavin Newsom didn't fail.

YOU failed. All of you who withheld your votes and your support.

Democrats let fascism ramp up without doing anything, and now they aren't doing anything to even slow it down. Are you denying that this is the American situation?

I'm saying this is what centrism does when the slightest hint of fascism starts pushing and shoving: they give in, pretend to compromise, they're happy when the fascist says "fine, we'll cut our expectations for 20 crimes against humanity down to 10, but it'll be back next week" and they pretend that's progress. Sometimes they put their foot down, but only when putting your foot down has zero effect, and they say "see, we tried".

That is centrism, that is what Democrats did, and that is what's happening here too with those "reasonable" parties. The "reasonable" argument is only on this side of the Atlantic, of course the Nazis in the US aren't even pretending to have any reasonable discussion. But they did have a phase claiming that the Dems were rude and not doing anything bipartisan, which is why the Democrats tried so hard to project this image of reaching across the aisle for so long. See where that got them.

Respectfully, I think you don't understand the American political situation very well. The description you gave of Democrats more accurately describes many of the supposed "Leftist" parties in the US (like the Greens). And the right wing absolutely does not call Democrats reasonable. If Democrats suggested using an umbrella during rain, Republicans would call it treason and immoral and declare rain to be fake.

Many European democracies are rather different than the one in the US, though. They harbour the possibility for more than two relevant parties. The Democrats hold such a varied spectrum of opinions and views that it could consitute of three or four parties in itself, but they communicate as one. So I think it is difficult to really make assumptions from US politics that could be easily copy-pasted on most of the political systems in European countries.

In recent years the left was quite insignificant in France, but now they hold some cards. Especially since RN is widely considered unreasonable. It is a delicate situation, maybe the left could now have some demands if the government sees a necessity for them, but so far the government has just managed to get through with their plans (with some dubious shortcuts). I doubt making the government collapse and forcing new elections will help much. Especially now that security is an important aspect, which often is not a strong platform for left wing parties (as voters make assumptions)(also since LFI wants France to leave NATO). And what does the left do if they are in the lead to form a government, but no other parties are willing to form a government out of spite?

The "reasonable left", the PS, wants to say that they still play ball, that they can be part of a government, that they're not here to destroy the country, that they can work to keep the institutions working. But they never get any compromise going in their favor, and when they say "see, we tried" it's already too late, and nothing they do gets anywhere, after they've killed anything the actual left tries.

*This is not reasonable*. This is collaboration. We have proof of where that goes with the Democrats in the US. Only the right wing calls them reasonable because they allow the right to pass everything they want. Reasonable means you sign off on everything and get nothing.

I was thinking more as compromises to each other within the alliance. I was hoping as well that Macron, Renaissance would try to work with the (reasonable-)left. What is happening now is that they are upholding the status-quo that obviously is losing its support. I fear it to escalade to the far-right because of this stance, I hope it does not.

There is no working with the "center" / center-right, they proved that again and again and again, they have not made a single compromise while constantly complaining that the left doesn't want to work with them. Working with someone means both sides give something to the other, and the right only ever takes and never gives anything. They have to learn to play ball.

It's even more funny that it turned out to be a reasonable question.

I was riffing on the People's front of Judea

No, it's just they never know how to translate it and they think their readers are too dumb to understand the party's name in French. "Nouveau front populaire" or NFP. I don't know why English news outlets are obsessed about translating party names from foreign countries. Who cares to understand the exact name of the party ? The reader just needs to understand their political alignment, the literal translation of the party name makes no sense, none of the cultural meaning will translate anyway.

Some places translated it as popular new front instead of new popular front? That's missing the point of the claim that it's reviving the old popular front from the 1930s.

I think it's saying the left going against macron, not that macron is left

Is that a different group to the "Alliance of popular fronts" and the "Popular new front alliance"?

Leftist infighting? A tale as old as time.

Macron? Left?

This was due to fail, as it incorporated everything from the centre-left to the far-left. Plus, there are figures that don't want to make compromises like Mélenchon.

It might've also been because of Mélenchon that NFP lost its chances of working with the centre(-right). On the other hand the alliance's great share made it possible to balance the far-right.