UK gives royal welcome to Zelenskyy after White House meltdown

So let's push for ramping up the military industrial complex in Europe instead?

Diplomacy? From Trump? That’s not happening on any timeline.

>And yet. All of this feels like a seismic shit prefacing going to war

And what's the solution to that? Further militarization of the US and Europe? Or diplomacy and negotiations?

No most of you do but you don't organize so a foreign country has taken control and is dismantling the government

I hardly think I’m in some piddling minority in thinking that my country is a fucking disgrace and Zelensky is a righteous man worthy of respect.

...twice.

I mean we had to get off the US' teats at some point, it's been 80 years. A pity that it had to happen like this, but we have to look forward and turn Europe into the beacon of democratic ideals that the US refuses to be anymore. It will be a hard and rocky road for sure, but we can come out the other side stronger and better in every way.

Yea, it’s a shame that the American people elected this clown to represent them. I’m really heartbroken they/we didn’t choose better.

Hence why I said "I'm kind of looking forward to seeing what Europe manages to put together as a replacement."

So you think American poverty equates to levels of poverty seen in Africa?

Most Americans already know what this is like. But still they vote to make it worse.

Isn’t that what the EU is? What are the military aspects of being in the Union? I’ve only ever heard about the economic aspects.

As someone living in NATO area, I wish we would start NATO 2 without the US. They can effectively veto anything they want.

Time for a new collaboration.

Exactly. I'm an Indian and I'd rather prefer USA as global superpower than China.

I know its a daydream but this aussie would love to join the EU.

Maybe its time for an Eastern Union? IDK just thinking out loud.

Well put, I keep trying to tell our local racist shitheads to direct their anger for violence by PTSD refugees at the American administrations, not at foreigners. You can imagine how well that is (not) going...

As someone living in Asia, the US losing influence is a really scary thing. China has been increasing their aggression in the region and the US's presence has always been the counter to that. It was a good balance but a weaker US will tip the balance to China's favour. Not to mention that the US has been a key factor in getting Korea and Japan to work together on security matters. Unfortunately, there's no EU or NATO equivalent for us to rely on.

Very well said, and I echo the sentiment. Americans have been too comfortable their entire lives. Now, they may learn what it actually is to suffer and be poor.

Yeah it definitely sucked when the British Empire was dominant. But when their power declined, we had two world wars.

A lot of the "oh noes the US is losing influence" comes twofold from:

1. General sinophobia as China is often seen as the next viable global superpower.

2. Americans who deep down know exactly how good they've had it *because* of that influence and are suddenly scared that their own country could become the true corrupt, broke shithole it has always really been. We only ever had wealth because we dominated and stole it from the rest of the world.

I'm with you, US losing influence isn't a bad thing. It's only bad for US citizens, who need to get a grip on how comfortable and coddled they have really been, *even if they are poor.* US poor is *not* international poor, once again, because we stole so much wealth from the rest of the world. I say this as a US citizen who is daily disgusted by the selfishness and coddled ass attitudes of his fellow Americans.

A good example of why is how we took the worlds outpouring of compassion after 9/11 and squandered the fuck out of it by playing world police and killing untold millions in the middle east and *Europe* has been dealing with the aftermath for 20 fucking years now.

And I'm also getting a little tired of them expecting me to be sad that this is bad for the US. A lot of the "woe is me, the US is losing influence!" Sounds almost as whiny to the non-American audience as some of the MAGA stuff about the world not being "grateful" enough for them.

The US' international influence has been a mixed blessing for a long time. I'm kind of looking forward to seeing what Europe manages to put together as a replacement. Could be a step up.

Really tired of people saying "this is so bad for the US!"

Yea....no shit. That's literally the whole point of all these insane actions.

That’s why they compromised trump.

The headline incorrectly suggests zelensky had a meltdown in white house, as it's worded.

Wdym, should have been Trump and Vance right!!

Events from yesterday are sad, not just for Ukraine or even Europe, but they will also hurt US long term.

US right now is on the path of losing its dominance. All the soft power US is losing, China is stepping in. Russia also believes it can once again become a superpower hopefully EU get's its security seriously and won't let them.

"Sorry our kid turned out to be such a douche."

I don't think Zelenskyy was humiliated, it was the US. He stood up for himself well. Trolling and bullying an ally isn't a good look.

The motivation now is for Europe to finance the entire war... to ensure Zelensky doesn't need to go back to the US.

Such disgrace. I've heard of "ugly Americans", but this is ridiculous.

These headlines man.... "After TRUMP white house meltdown"

It’s interesting that conservative circles are lauding Trump for removing the US from wars in “matters that don’t concern us”. Their take, not mine.

And yet. All of this feels like a seismic shift prefacing going to war.

Even the first term I always had the sense Trump wanted to play with war toys. Akin to him acting like a little boy playing with toy truck when behind the wheel of a construction vehicle. Now he’s more erratic than ever before, and has the people around him willing to do his bidding.

And this is not an administration that would hesitate to draft people.