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Zelensky didn't "start" the war, he provoked it

c/worldnews · u/badwetter@kbin.melroy.org · -112 points

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Trump's heresy was not literally true, but it was grounded in a fundamental truth that has been denied to Americans so the national security state could bilk them for billions.

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u/davel@lemmy.ml · 6 points

I mean to say that, just because you don’t notice the propaganda on other instances, and in popular media in general, doesn’t mean it’s not there. You may just see it as “common sense.”

Cultural hegemony

📺 The Fascism of Common Sense

📺 Hegemony of Common Sense:Interview Of Dean Manders

>Class domination is effectuated more by the mystification of consciousness—the distortion, the obfuscation, the redirection of thought and ideas—than through force or even the threat of force. Of course, force is always in the background—it’s always there. […] If you can mystify people, if you can get people to participate in their own “subjugation,” you’ll get people to become their own worst enemies, you’ve won. And you’ve won without any police forces, military forces, or whatever.

u/UnhingedStopa@sopuli.xyz · 1 points

Even though your links may be valid, they're not contributing to the conversation in the sense that you didn't provide any argument.

Do you mean to say lemmy.ml isn't full of propaganda and I should leárn about media literacy, or you think it might be full of propaganda and that's why I should learn about media literacy? Or maybe you just wanted to share the links, idk.

u/davel@lemmy.ml · 11 points

That’s not really a thing in the fediverse.

  • Jacobin: Why the Twitter Files Are in Fact a Big Deal *On the Left, there’s been a temptation to dismiss the revelations about Twitter’s internal censorship system that have emerged from the so-called Twitter Files project. But that would be a mistake: the news is important and the details are alarming.*

u/Grapho@lemmy.ml · 6 points

When somebody's making sense but it's making you angry

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u/davel@lemmy.ml · 2 points

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**Reason**: tankie ass response

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  • Consortium News, 2015: The Mess That Nuland Made *Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland engineered Ukraine’s regime change without weighing the likely consequences.*

- Orinoco Tribune, 2022: Former German Chancellor Merkel Admits that Minsk Peace Agreements Were Part of Scheme for Ukraine to Buy Time to Prepare for War With Russia

u/Grapho@lemmy.ml · 8 points

https://tankie.tube/w/8oEAyZfQY6SwqpYmoEkWxJ libs and minimizing genocide. Name a more iconic duo.

Y'all can pretend this is analogous to any sort of abuse to obfuscate the fact that you refuse to learn a single fucking bit of history regarding the war, but the intervention was legal **under Ukrainian law** itself. States have a right to secede via referendum, did so after the US funded nazi coup, and begged Russia to stop the indiscriminate shelling of civilians by the maidan regime that ensued for almost a decade after.

Several peace agreements had been reached to stop Ukraine from bombing civilians, but the ultra right within the Ukrainian army refused to abide by them. There's videos of Zelensky ordering them to do it and them treating him like an irrelevant idiot.

u/DarkSurferZA@lemmy.world · 4 points

I really thought you were being down voted for an obviously sarcastic comment. Read your post history and then realised that you haven't been downvoted enough. So let me help with that

u/unmagical@lemmy.ml · 9 points

Given that the US has already been telegraphing that they want to invade Mexico I would not blame Mexico for looking at all available options to defend themselves.

u/sleeplessone@lemmy.ml · 3 points

The US couped Ukraine's government, installed a puppet regime, continuously built up a military presence right next to Russia's least defensible point (going so far as to have massive wargames in Ukraine), and violated all of the agreements that were meant to deescalate the situation. The alliance in question has only ever been used to invade and demolish countries that dare not kiss the burger reich's ring despite that alliance ostensibly being for defense against foreign aggression.

u/unmagical@lemmy.ml · 2 points

Explain to me how Ukraine wanting to join an alliance that includes the US is anyone trying to defend themselves from the US.

u/unmagical@lemmy.ml · 5 points

Well them are some outrageous unfounded claims. Ya got any evidence of that beyond a doctored interview and some Russian funded Cameos?

u/badwetter@kbin.melroy.org · -18 points

@unmagical@lemmy.ml

Nukes in the hands of the madman coke addict Zelenskyy?! Yeah, right — really thought that through, didn't you? 🤦🏽‍♂️

u/unmagical@lemmy.ml · 26 points

And Russia quickly demonstrated why Ukraine was right to want such things.

u/Kualk@lemm.ee · 11 points

Ukraine openly stated they want nukes and nato membership.

u/sleeplessone@lemmy.ml · -21 points

Russia is the victim here. Stop victim blaming and projecting your victim blaming on your opponents.

u/technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 20 points

Yes, the state in russia started the invasion. Thanks for just saying it.

Y'all wackos can say whatever you want about how ukraine was wearing a hot dress or whatnot. It doesn't matter.

u/davel@lemmy.ml · 16 points

Please don’t post articles that are behind hard paywalls, or if you do, paste in the relevant parts of it.

u/FreudianCafe@lemmy.ml · 11 points

Some people are so propagandized that if trump says water is wet they will say its dry

u/yojimbo@sopuli.xyz · 4 points

how did everyone access the article?

*I would like to know if its the same tired 40 year old argument on "sphere of influence" or actually something interesting at least from the "intellectual elasticity" point of view?*