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Al Jazeera: "It is not Trump that betrayed Ukraine. Those who set it on a path to full-scale war with Russia did."

c/worldnews · u/yogthos@lemmy.ml · 24 points

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u/yogthos@lemmy.ml · 7 points

Wow, what an amazing and well thought out counterpoint. Bravo!

u/yogthos@lemmy.ml · 8 points

Ah yes, imagine being gullible enough to fall for the disclaimer that people have "mischaracterized" their research that just happened to describe the exact scenario and benefits for the US. 🤣

u/JohnnyCanuck@lemmy.ca · -1 points

Lol, they're calling you out!

We encourage you to explore this report and its accompanying research brief. However, because Russian entities and individuals sympathetic to Putin's decision to invade Ukraine have mischaracterized this research in recent weeks, we also encourage you to explore this helpful resource on Russia's “firehose of falsehood” approach to propaganda and our research on “Truth Decay,” which is a phenomenon that is driven in part by the spread of disinformation.

u/queermunist@lemmy.ml · 7 points

You're literally talking about how NATO is a threat to Putin, the leader of Russia.

I'm just saying, look at Libya to understand what happens next.

u/queermunist@lemmy.ml · 12 points

Take a look at Libya to see what happens when NATO helps depose the leader.

u/commander@lemmings.world · -5 points

Not really.

It's a threat to Putin, who is the greatest threat to Russia.

Just look at how many Russians are dead for his war.

u/yogthos@lemmy.ml · 15 points

Oops. what's this?

https://responsiblestatecraft.org/us-russia-nato/

https://natowatch.org/newsbriefs/2018/how-gorbachev-was-misled-over-assurances-against-nato-expansion

https://truthout.org/articles/us-approach-to-ukraine-and-russia-has-left-the-domain-of-rational-discourse/

https://truthout.org/articles/noam-chomsky-us-military-escalation-against-russia-would-have-no-victors/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minsk_agreements

50 prominent foreign policy experts (former senators, military officers, diplomats, etc.) sent an open letter to Clinton outlining their opposition to NATO expansion back in 1997:

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George Kennan, arguably America's greatest ever foreign policy strategist, the architect of the U.S. cold war strategy warned that NATO expansion was a "tragic mistake" that ought to ultimately provoke a "bad reaction from Russia" back in 1998.

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Jack F. Matlock Jr., US Ambassador to the Soviet Union from 1987-1991, warning in 1997 that NATO expansion was "the most profound strategic blunder, [encouraging] a chain of events that could produce the most serious security threat [...] since the Soviet Union collapsed"

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u/eldavi@lemmy.ml · 10 points

ukraine is not a threat to anyone, but the united states is and ukraine let the united states fool it into thinking they could join the american side despite geopolitical hazards like russia and trump or warning signs from history like latin american; the middle east; or europe after ww2.

u/yogthos@lemmy.ml · 5 points

Russia is the correct and only answer only if you're utterly clueless of history and geopolitics.

u/commander@lemmings.world · -5 points

Whatever happened to NATO’s guarantee for Ukraine’s security if they got rid of their nukes?

u/eldavi@lemmy.ml · 13 points

ukraine was a pawn and was convinced that things would be better if they joined nato.

u/yogthos@lemmy.ml · 7 points

weird way to say the USA https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RR3063.html

u/adarza@lemmy.ca · 0 points

russia is the correct and only answer.

ukraine was literally *no threat* to russia. no 'western' or european nation is a threat to russia if russia would just gtfo and quit invading its neighbors.

u/commander@lemmings.world · -2 points

Whatever happened to NATO’s guarantee for Ukraine’s security if they got rid of their nukes?

u/commander@lemmings.world · -4 points

Yeah, we're definitely not pointing the finger at the right people.

Whatever happened to NATO's guarantee for Ukraine's security if they got rid of their nukes?